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Holger KranichHey guys and gals!
I spotted a cool game in the other forum, I sometimes participate! It a funny game, called "Aircraft Trivia"!
The rules are very simple, i ask a question about a plane or helo (civil or Military doesnt matter) and the first one who gives the right answer to my riddle, is the next one to give the next riddle!
I think this can become funny and interesting to all of us! Perhaps we learn something we didn't knew, yet!?;)
Come on and let's play together, mates!🙂
This is my first question:
(At first I'll keep it simple, I promise!;))
The plane I'm searching is a single engined, full metal fuselage construction from ww2.
This aircraft had different versions. One of this versions was called t, like theodor and was constructed to take off from early aircraft carriers...
Who knows what plane do I mean?;)
I spotted a cool game in the other forum, I sometimes participate! It a funny game, called "Aircraft Trivia"!
The rules are very simple, i ask a question about a plane or helo (civil or Military doesnt matter) and the first one who gives the right answer to my riddle, is the next one to give the next riddle!
I think this can become funny and interesting to all of us! Perhaps we learn something we didn't knew, yet!?;)
Come on and let's play together, mates!🙂
This is my first question:
(At first I'll keep it simple, I promise!;))
The plane I'm searching is a single engined, full metal fuselage construction from ww2.
This aircraft had different versions. One of this versions was called t, like theodor and was constructed to take off from early aircraft carriers...
Who knows what plane do I mean?;)
4 November 2013, 18:17
Kas GrigonisWhy thank you kind Sir! 🙂
They were an obscure manufacturer, Fleetwings. I thought the XBTK was interesting.
Ok... Work on this advanced, single seat, multi-role fighter, began in 1945.
20 August 2015, 07:48
DutchDouglas AD Skyraider? With two MiG-17 kills, one probable and one heavily damaged to its credit, I think it rates as a multi-role fighter!
theaviationist.com/2..-vietnamese-mig-17s/
20 August 2015, 08:17
Kas GrigonisSorry guys. Daughter popped in for a surprise visit with the kids and critical fairy work was required!
Not the Skyraider Dutch. I love that plane though. A tough hunk of metal. (Cool link too!)
Next clue: This fighter design trail blazed many advanced design ideas, and had no horizontal tail surfaces.
20 August 2015, 15:17
Kas GrigonisNope.
It had a single tail and rudder. So little was known about the new wing design, that a manned, 40% smaller test bed aircraft was built first to trial the design.
20 August 2015, 17:12
Kas GrigonisGetting warmer Gordon. We're on the correct side of the pond now.
The test bed aircraft flight performance was so successful, that the full size prototype fighter was built. However, due to the required power plants not eventuating, the completed fighter progressed as far as taxi tests and some short hops but was never allowed to truly fly as the replacement engines could not provide enough thrust.
20 August 2015, 17:42
Kas GrigonisThe Vulcan is a bomber, Christian. The plane in question is a fighter. However, you are surprisingly close, as this fighter shares a number of key design decisions in common with the Vulcan. It even resembles the Vulcan.
20 August 2015, 18:28
Kas GrigonisIt wasn't built by a British manufacturer. The company producing the aircraft decided that it would be too expensive to redesign the airframe for a new set of engines and chose to end the program. The government agreed although the company did not know at that time that the government had already decided to cancel the program. Although the full size fighter was cancelled and never flew properly, the 40% smaller test aircraft continued flying for a number of years to collect data on the flight characteristics of the ground breaking wing design.
20 August 2015, 19:01
Kas GrigonisCorrect Burkhard! IMO, one of the coolest looking designs of the era.
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Over to you.
20 August 2015, 19:31
Choppa Nuttalet's see if I can it right before he asks the question 😄
I doubt it will be a Bf109T perhaps
maybe an Me109E ?
or perhaps a Yak 1 ?
21 August 2015, 16:18
Edgars BizūnsNone of them, Choppa😉
My story starts a very long time ago. I was one of the first in my type. I was maybe by a couple of blokes. What is my name?
21 August 2015, 16:52
Choppa NuttaThe first manned kites of China or Tibet, either will do 🙂
or maybe the Cierva Autogyro
21 August 2015, 18:04
Kas GrigonisI bought an Azur Cierva Autogyro kit recently. Going to do it in the livery of the Lithuanian Aero Club.
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21 August 2015, 18:35
Choppa Nuttanice, interesting aircraft though 🙂
Coey Edgars, wake uupppp 😄
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21 August 2015, 18:45
Kas GrigonisAvro built them as well. Not THAT interesting 🙂 I'm doing it because of the Lithuanian connection.
21 August 2015, 19:11
Kas Grigonis🙂
Ok... a tricky one, maybe... thinking of a single engined, low-wing monoplane, tail dragger, bomber/recon plane, with an enclosed two-seat tandem cockpit.
22 August 2015, 05:24
Edgars BizūnsGood morning Dutch, btw, its such an early morning but youre here.. on scalemates.. you could, I dont know, make models!? 😄
22 August 2015, 06:03
DutchEdgars, I wish! No, I have too much "other work" on the real work bench right now, not to mention yard work, house work, honey do work... Oh, and there is my paying work. I'm on business trip right now, 2/3rds the way around the world from my usual time zone, hence the early reply.
22 August 2015, 07:15
Choppa Nutta"other work" on the real work bench ????
I wonder what that might be ??
Also Dutch, you should have traveled in the other direction as you would have cut your traveling distance in half by only having to travel one third of the way round the world 😉
btw Edgars, I think I might have seen you "out and about" on my morning run !!! 😄
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22 August 2015, 10:24
Kas GrigonisPowered by a Bristol Pegasus, radial engine, it was armed with four M1919 Browning machine guns in the wings, and one, manually aimed M1919 Browning machine gun, in the rear of the cockpit. It could also carry up to 600 kg (1,300 lb) on a fuselage bomb rack and/or 400 kg (880 lb) under the wings.
22 August 2015, 12:29
Choppa Nutta.........my first guess is .........
Edgars having drunk to much Red Bull !! 😄
22 August 2015, 13:06
Choppa Nuttahaha, that's a photo of him when he's run our of the GO Juice,
admittedly he does look like he's veered off the run way and had a bit of a crash landing haha 😄
22 August 2015, 13:29
Kas GrigonisYou got it again Burkhard! 🙂
They were gearing up for a production run of 60 aircraft but only the prototype was built and flown and shortly after, the Russians invaded, took the aircraft, arrested it's designer, and then executed him 6 months later. Here is a really cool video, even with some colour footage of the final stages of construction, testing and first flight of the aircraft. Rare compiled films from the National Archives of Lithuania, shot in 1939.
Youtube Video
22 August 2015, 14:38
Burkhard DLooking for a manned, single-engine supersonic aircraft with three vertical stabilizers
22 August 2015, 15:08
Choppa NuttaNASA Lifting Bodies
or more accurately, the Bionic Man Mobile 😄
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22 August 2015, 16:07
Burkhard DSo far so good. The NASA/USAF lifting bodies are encircled 🙂
Which of those was the fastest and highest flying? That's the one.
22 August 2015, 16:09
Burkhard DNo. The Dream Chase has only 2 fins. 🙂 It's one of the four that Kas suggested.
22 August 2015, 16:12
Burkhard DLooking for the one that reached Mach1.86 18 Feb 1970 and 90,303 feet a few days later.
22 August 2015, 16:13
Ingo FOk, here we go. Cold War era. Aircraft with one man crew. It was the first aircraft of this kind for this nation. Outside it was similar to an aircraft of another nation. But the inside layout was different and similar to the aircraft of an 3rd nation.
22 August 2015, 18:16
Kas GrigonisDamn. Looks like I gave the answer away. Got pulled away for work. 🙁
22 August 2015, 21:03
Kas GrigonisBetter late then never Choppa 🙂 I should have saved some single malt for ya.
Thinking of a 1950's era single seat jet fighter with no horizontal tail surfaces.
23 August 2015, 01:01
Kas GrigonisA highly advanced design, years ahead of it's time in some respects, it wasn't American in origin.
23 August 2015, 02:47
Kas GrigonisIt flew before the Mirage III and later broke the Mirage III's speed record just 3 days after it had been set. It had fixed canard fore planes and two engines yet only one intake and exhaust.
23 August 2015, 09:03
Kas GrigonisCorrect Burkhard! I disagree that it was far from a fighter, though. It was built for and fully conformed to the same French government specification for a Mach 2 Fighter that led to the development of the Mirage III. It could operate from a grass strip and was designed from the outset with internal space and provision for radar and weapons systems. That was how it got funded in the first place. That it was never armed and remained a research platform in the end, was possibly due more to the difficulties and cost associated with trail blazing so many new design ideas and in particular, the challenges of the combined turbojet & ramjet configuration.
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23 August 2015, 09:38
Burkhard DHere's the next one:
A tandem helicopter of which a few tens were built but mostly were mothballed upon completion and then scrapped.
23 August 2015, 10:32
Ingo FOk here is the next one. Very easy. Searching for an twin-engined aircraft that was operated by more then ten countries and had many variations. It was very well known in the 60s because it was used in many significant events. 🙂
23 August 2015, 14:11
Ingo FNo to all. Next hint: Think of non military events that took place in the 60s.
23 August 2015, 16:33
Ingo FNo, no. Think of an aircraft that was transporting very important people after their "journey". The most known of this aircraft had an double digit for it onboard number.
23 August 2015, 17:16
Burkhard DThere seems to be a funny time lag between updates, Kas got it first.
23 August 2015, 17:19
Choppa Nuttahahaha !!! YAY Edgars is awake and kicking !! 😄
I was thinking more Southpark myself 😄 😄 😄
23 August 2015, 19:49
Choppa Nuttaprobably more like the one where they sneak into the movies and bribe a homeless guy to buy the tickets coz they're all under aged etc.
the Terrence and Phillip classic 😄
the one song I laugh at even now, possibly their rudest one ever😉
23 August 2015, 20:18
Melf BoyensKas, what do you mean by " derivation" . Something like the F5 the Iranians have built or the Kfir Israeli mirage look alike?
23 August 2015, 20:33
Kas GrigonisWhat I mean by derivation, Melf, is that the plane looks quite different to the aircraft it comes from but is still visibly derived from the original, despite any changes internally.
23 August 2015, 21:15
Kas GrigonisThe horizontal tail surfaces were removed for this version of the aircraft.
23 August 2015, 21:16
Kas GrigonisThe plane in question is relatively recent and is based on a famous fighter.
23 August 2015, 21:56
Choppa Nuttawoo that was easy 😄
your standards must be a slipping Kas ! hehe 😄
Ok I'm not sure what I'm looking for but it is definitely a manned flying vehicle of some sort, perhaps with engines and maybe even some kind of landing gear😉
23 August 2015, 23:08
Choppa Nuttareconnaissance monoplane with a reasonably conventional layout.... reasonably.....😉
the designer shared a name with a tank
similar size to the classic WW2 fighters like the Spitfire etc. but quite a bit lighter
Also had some modest media appearances too 😄
And if anyone gets this first go I will eat my bum hair !! haha 😄
23 August 2015, 23:25
Choppa Nuttaalso there is 1/72 kit of a version of this plane that did not go into production but the kit doesn't have any reviews, just to help you all narrow it down a bit 😄
23 August 2015, 23:34
Burkhard DFairchild FC-1 designed for aerial mapping by Sherman Fairchild - bon appetit!
24 August 2015, 05:44
Choppa NuttaJust kidding Edgars, you're wrong !
& so is Burkhard's brilliant guess !
Next guesses please 😄
24 August 2015, 09:14
Melf BoyensAre you posting the Pictures of your "Spaghetti à la derriere" meal?
24 August 2015, 10:15
Edgars BizūnsFekkk 😄 actually, I haven't seen face of anyone who takes part here, only some of you have your mugshot in the avatar.
24 August 2015, 12:17
Melf Boyensohhh, i thought you are an intelligent 8 year old Boy, so you faked your Picture??? Buuhh!
24 August 2015, 13:41
Choppa NuttaDifficult not to be curious about people look like behind their avatar, especially if you like them 🙂
24 August 2015, 15:43
Edgars BizūnsChoppa 😄
So yeah, lets post a pic of yourself, if you want! Lets see what we have here😎
24 August 2015, 20:06
Choppa NuttaOk Edgars, I'll go first shall I 😄
Here's a picture of me looking super goofy in front of a mates plane 🙂
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25 August 2015, 01:01
Choppa NuttaSorry Kas, how very slack of me 🙂
Used a Wright R-975E-1 9-cylinder air-cooled radial engine, 365 hp
and was also the first plane to use compound curve windows
2 crew, pilot and passenger
25 August 2015, 01:04
Choppa Nuttait's also old enough to have spent some time in the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum
25 August 2015, 01:04
Choppa NuttaCheers Burkhard, and it is also very correct too !!
well done Kas,
over to you 🙂
which clue gave it away I wonder ?
the compound curve clue ? 🙂
25 August 2015, 09:30
Melf BoyensJust as a matter of curiosity, do you people have such profound knowledge about everything that can lift of the ground and that is not a football or Frisbee , or can i somehow buy a book or Google somewhere? Sometimes i guess that either you just know it or you'll be 24 hours connected to the net, which is hardly possible. I mean i got the answers a few times but that was such a f..ing coincidence! :-D
25 August 2015, 09:54
Choppa NuttaI think everyone feels this to varying degrees Melf 🙂
I know I do😉
25 August 2015, 10:01
Kas GrigonisIt was the compound curve clue Choppa 🙂 That made it easier to track down. 🙂
Melf, all of us know a lot of aircraft however, sometimes we just have to research. Whether it be via books or Google, it still allows you to learn about aircraft you didn't previously know. For instance, I now have the plans for a 1/48 scale paper model of the Abrams P-1 Explorer and I know that there was a vac form kit released. So if I decide to build a model of it, I can try and track down the kit or look at rescaling the paper kit design I have, down to 1/72 and try using it as a template for a scratch build. All thanks to Choppa making me look it up 🙂
25 August 2015, 21:52
Kas GrigonisThis Soviet test bed aircraft, was a modification of a standard, high wing, twin engined, transport, modified to test something special.
25 August 2015, 23:52
Choppa NuttaHad a feeling it might have been the compound glass clue !!
Fun plane choice though, I had imagined it would have been trickier though, I'll just have to be a little bit cleverer with clue'agenessness 🙂
you see Melf, I now have that feeling you do, utterly clueless !! haha 😄
26 August 2015, 01:06
Kas GrigonisYou're on the right track Melf.
The standard aircraft was designed to replace the An-2 but the An-2 has outlived it considerably. It had a crew of 2 and could carry 6 - 8 passengers. This modified version was a test bed for a special idea.
26 August 2015, 07:56
Kas GrigonisThe An-3 was more of an upgrade than a replacement for the An-2. This was a later aircraft that Antonov produced partly in the hope of offering a more modern alternative. It failed to replace the An-2 which remained very popular and only 332 of this aircraft were built with production ending in 1972. This particular version of the aircraft was used as a test bed for a idea that turned it into a unique aircraft, hence it's different designation. Incidentally, the idea was quite successful but not implemented anywhere after the test program was completed.
26 August 2015, 09:35
Günther DebiscopAn-14 further developed into the An-28. The version you're thinking of is the AN-14Ш – experimental on the air cushion
26 August 2015, 10:07
Günther DebiscopMy aircraft is the only one constructed out of a family of +16.000 units. Luckully it's preserved and even displayed.
26 August 2015, 10:55
Bart Goesaertthen there's a choice between 18 aircraft in total, of which 12 are valable, 9 are american, 1 uk, 2 german (according to wiki...)
26 August 2015, 11:43
Günther Debiscophopefully you will choose the correct one Bart 😉
PS: mine is a unique variant (only 1 build)
26 August 2015, 12:27
Günther DebiscopBart has it. The Bell 533 is displayed at the US Army Aviation Applied Technology Directorate, Fort Eustis, Virginia
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26 August 2015, 13:26
Holger KranichOh dont Show the pix Bernhard Schrock, he will immideately build one! 😄
26 August 2015, 13:48
Choppa Nutta..... not seen this one before, cool and yeah, I too can imagine this might appeal Mr Schrock 😄
26 August 2015, 13:50
Bart Goesaertnice one...
I am a civil aircraft and was the only one of my kind, after extensive testing I got scrapped. I was made of a cut up fuselage of the aircraft I was intended to replace
26 August 2015, 13:54
uncle chop chopis there any way to deleate me from the notifications for this post im over it
27 August 2015, 09:07
Bart GoesaertYou may continue.. my designation didn't went further then experimental...
27 August 2015, 10:23
Burkhard D@ Uncle Chop Chop: Notifications can be managed at the bottom of the thread starter mail 🙂
27 August 2015, 12:30
Choppa NuttaThere is a little cog wheel next to the date and the word "Share" underneath the Thread starter Blurb where Holger says "Hey guys and gals!......." etc.
ie. -
04. November 2013 at 19:17:38 (Little Cog Here) Share
Click on that cog and the options are within 🙂
27 August 2015, 12:35
DutchGo Bernhard, go! Can't wait to see the Bell 533 on your next workbench in progress review. (spoken with sadistic chuckle!)
28 August 2015, 09:52
Bart GoesaertI didn't have a lot of access to internet this weekend. I was designed to shorten turn-around times on the airfield, later some ideas were implemented in another fashion, in that way that preloaded cargocontainers were stored internal...
31 August 2015, 07:19
Kas GrigonisThe Wikipedia page says that the XC-120 was unique in using that method for carrying cargo and is definitely debatable. Miles in Britain had the Miles M.86 prototype flying in 1947 that basically did the same thing.
1 September 2015, 12:27
Burkhard DSame principle applied by the CH-54 Tarhe and the Mi-10 - after all, helicopters are aircraft, too 😄
1 September 2015, 19:56
Gordon SørensenOK! This aircraft had a protracted development....design work started in 80s, the prototypes were destroyed during bombing in the late 90s, the program was restarted in the mid-2000 with deliveries starting in 2010...
2 September 2015, 02:53
Kas GrigonisThis jet aircraft had a high wing, high tail, and fixed landing gear.
2 September 2015, 14:07
DutchI would say IA-33 Pulqui II, but as with Edgars suggestion, it too has retractable u/c.
2 September 2015, 14:44
Kas GrigonisNope.
2 prototypes were ordered however the second was dismantled and scrapped before being completed. The first flew on and completed it's test program, visiting other countries and even air shows.
2 September 2015, 14:52
Kas GrigonisIt was designed to further research ideas that originated from WWII German research into boundary layer control.
2 September 2015, 16:01
Kas GrigonisBoth interesting aircraft Dutch but no.
Of very short range, the aircraft had one jet engine with a nose intake and lots of exhausts.
2 September 2015, 16:46
DutchBoeing/deHavilland Augmentor Wing Jet STOL Research Aircraft (C-8A Buffalo)
2 September 2015, 16:46
Burkhard DSomethin with circulation control blowing bleed air or exhaust through the wing traling edge...wait
2 September 2015, 18:29
Burkhard DKas,could it be you are drawing quizzes from Hikoki"s X-Planes of Europe?😉
2 September 2015, 18:33
Kas GrigonisBurkhard Got it!!! 🙂
You caught me Burkhard 🙂 I'll have to choose from another source now. Hahahahahahahahah 😄
2 September 2015, 19:12
Burkhard D@Dutch Was the same for me. It's on the dust jacket of the book, but I couldn't recall the designation. Will come up with a new one in an hour or two.
3 September 2015, 05:25
Burkhard DOkay, took a while longer...
Looking for an airplane with two cockpits, both with side-by-side seating.
3 September 2015, 13:12
DutchConvair NC-131H Total In Flight Simulator?
airliners.net/photo/..41a413716f3efebb45ae
3 September 2015, 15:09
Burkhard DExcellent, Dutch! It's the NC-131H TIFS, indeed!😎
Over to you, my friend 🙂
3 September 2015, 17:53
Kas GrigonisI'd love a kit of that plane! I saw it at the USAF Museum when I was there last year.
3 September 2015, 23:13
DutchNo to all so far. This helicopter was a single seater. When I say one rotor blade, I mean ONE rotor blade on one side of the rotor mast, as opposed to a TWO blade helicopter like the Bell 47/204/205/206.
4 September 2015, 11:53
DutchIt was powered by a 4-cylinder, horizontally opposed, air-cooled engine.
4 September 2015, 11:57
Choppa NuttaSikorslky test bed, used a counter weight instead of the other blade, higher efficiency but it had some control issues..
4 September 2015, 12:28
DutchChoppa, you are on the right train of thought, but wrong side of the Atlantic.
4 September 2015, 12:34
Burkhard DBölkow Bo103. We have one here in the HelicOpter Museum in Bückeburg, Germany
4 September 2015, 12:43
Burkhard D🙂
Looking for a manned propeller bi-plane that is not only ugly, but pretty weird. 😄
5 September 2015, 17:57
Burkhard DGood one, but no. The one I am looking for doesn't have the propeller at the front.
5 September 2015, 19:26
Kas GrigonisThey were all the weirdest ones I could think of.
Ok. Looking for a single engined jet aircraft that was the first jet for it's country of origin.
5 September 2015, 23:35
Kas GrigonisNo, no & no, Ingo 🙂
Two development prototypes were built and tested before production began on the main aircraft which would be used by 4 countries.
6 September 2015, 00:49
Burkhard DDassault MD450 Ouragan, first jet for French AIr Force also served with Israel, India and El Salvador
6 September 2015, 09:08
StilichoThat's what I thought but it was preceded by SNCASO Triton and SNCASO Espadon. Ouragan was first jet fighter.
6 September 2015, 11:17
Kas GrigonisNone of the above. This might be a slightly tricky one (said the actress to the bishop...)
The prototypes had a different name than the production aircraft.
6 September 2015, 11:27
Kas GrigonisBonus clue - The prototypes had a single seat and retractable landing gear. The production aircraft had neither.
6 September 2015, 11:37
Kas GrigonisNot Russian Burkhard.
The aircraft specification began as a British requirement and was then accepted by the government of it's origin country, and then developed "in partnership", although all the design work, development testing, and production, was done in the country of origin.
The production aircraft was used by the country of origin, Britain, Sweden and the US. Production began in 1952 and ran until 1986, with 502 aircraft being produced, (not including the manned prototypes). The aircraft was so good at it's job, that in 1997, the production lines were re-opened, to produce a further 15 aircraft for Britain.
I'm specifically looking for the name of the manned prototypes, not the production aircraft.
Kits for both are in the Scalemates database too.
6 September 2015, 14:24
Kas GrigonisCorrect Stilicho - The Pika, an Aboriginal word for "fly", it is!!!!! Over to you!
6 September 2015, 22:29
StilichoSingle-engine monoplane. 262 built; all delivered 1943. Made of resin-impregnated plywood "susceptible to decomposing".
6 September 2015, 22:48
Choppa Nuttadidn't Germany really struggle with plywood planes coming apart due to poor glues
7 September 2015, 03:02
StilichoOne of the reasons for the termination of production was that the engine was also used in tanks
7 September 2015, 06:57
Burkhard DHmmm...N2T Tutor? No reference to a tank engine though.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timm_N2T_Tutor
7 September 2015, 11:50
Burkhard DI have to pass this one on to someone else. Have to do slides for a presentation in the afternoon... 🙂
8 September 2015, 09:23
Kas GrigonisI've got it Burkhard. Thanks😉
Thinking of a single seat, twin tail monoplane.
8 September 2015, 12:16
Kas GrigonisDevelopment work on the advanced design was stopped due to the country of origin having to fight an invasion. Consequently, the aircraft was never built. It's propulsion idea was trialled on two more conventional designs later and although the concept was proved, by the time the development was refined, it's benefits were overtaken by the introduction of jets.
8 September 2015, 16:16
DutchDe Schelde S.21, fighter prototype? (Single engine, but everything else fits.)
8 September 2015, 17:50
Kas GrigonisThe configuration is correct Dutch. Very similar to the De Schelde S.21. Wrong country and fuselage.
The two types of engines were a conventional piston driven propeller and a ramjet, operating through the same duct. It was to have a gull wing and a stressed skin that was designed to be incredibly smooth with an underlying corrugated structure.
8 September 2015, 18:42
DutchOkay, ready!
This aircraft first flew in the mid-1950s as an unpowered single-seater pulled aloft by a car, boat or plane. Initial tests were successful, so a single engine was added. It garnered 12 world records for its class in the late 1960s. It was in "production" from 1955 until 1987 when the company folded, but few "rolled off" the production line despite orders well in the several hundreds.
8 September 2015, 21:03
DutchChoppa, you are correct, but which one? Kas, you nailed it! Very interesting piece of gear. I think I will ask for one on my next birthday! That way, I can turn my garage into an aircraft production plant! Over to you Kas!
9 September 2015, 12:06
Choppa Nuttaah too slow I was....
they are very cool machines though with a number of interesting flying characteristics.
I would really like to fly one some time 🙂
9 September 2015, 17:44
Kas GrigonisSorry for the delay Guys! There's a dud route at my ISP that is preventing connection to the site. I had to use an alternative path to connect in direct from Germany!
Thinking of a four engine jet.
10 September 2015, 14:39
DutchWell that certainly narrows the choices! Everything from the Arado 234 V8 to B-45 to Boeing 707 to Vickers Valiant to Il-62 to BAe 146 to Kawasaki P-1 to ....
10 September 2015, 16:05
Choppa NuttaNot Concorde 🙂
or Russian Concorde ! 😄
The Red Bull bird man flying wing suit is the smallest four engined jet aircraft 👍
10 September 2015, 16:29
DutchTechnically, the Red Bull man is rocket powered. And yes, I forgot the Concorde! I was trying to pick as many different configurations as well as oldest to newest!
10 September 2015, 16:44
AugieSorry dutch, he's jet. they are jetcat P200 jets 🙂
as for biggest.. dont forget the AN-124.. which while being a touch shorter than the C-5 is heavier and has larger wing span
10 September 2015, 17:00
Choppa Nutta.
They are model engines intended for RC jets, incredible little bits of kit, expensive too.
That wing suit has about £20,000 in the engines and it's control systems alone ...
10 September 2015, 18:13
Gordon Sørensenen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_119
Always thought the 119/220 was a good looking aircraft, kind of like a mini - B-58 Hustler
11 September 2015, 12:47
Gordon SørensenThe next aircraft was designed in one country, but there was no interest in the design, so the program was sold to another country, where there was little interest. Only 24 built, and 22 used by the countries military.
11 September 2015, 12:49
Gordon SørensenNext clue: First Flight in August 1964, retired from Military service in 2003.
13 September 2015, 16:20
Gordon Sørensenit.m.wikipedia.org/w..s_PD-808#/media/File: Piaggio-Douglas_PD-808.JPG
Kas got it!
13 September 2015, 22:27
Kas GrigonisA tail dragger, the cockpit is behind the trailing edge of the wing.
16 September 2015, 14:03
Gordon SørensenThe next aircraft was developed by a famous designer.
Originally designed for Mach 2, due to engine limitations it couldn't pass Mach 1.
17 September 2015, 04:15
Gordon SørensenDue to the country starting nuclear testing, better engines or sometimes even parts for the original engines, were boycotted.
17 September 2015, 20:07
Kas GrigonisHAL HF-24 Marut. That last clue pretty much meant it either had to be Indian or Pakistani, and the Marut was designed primarily by Kurt Tank.
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17 September 2015, 23:13
Kas GrigonisTwo prototypes were built. Only the second was pressurised. The wings, tailplane and tail were all swept. The first prototype stopped development when it's engine developer closed down.
18 September 2015, 23:17
Kas GrigonisThat's the Chichester-Miles Consultants (CMC) Leopard but close enough Gordon 😉 Over to you.
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19 September 2015, 06:43
Gordon SørensenThis next aircraft: one engine had a different number of propeller blades than the other two engines
19 September 2015, 21:17
Gordon SørensenNext clue: While it did have three Diesel engines, it could also be fitted with RATOs or be catapulted to get in the air with a heavier load
21 September 2015, 17:09
DutchI am looking for a twin engine, mid wing sea plane developed during the 1950s.
21 September 2015, 18:04
Choppa Nutta......... Gonna punt a couple of unlikely ones 😄
Zwillingsbiber Beaver
C-47 Float plane
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21 September 2015, 18:27
Choppa Nutta..... oh Hello ! 🙂
sorry guys, I fell asleep 😄
Ok then 😄
...... gonna go for a one word clue and if you don't get it first go I will be surprised !! 😄
And that one word is, from the British vernacular, which is -
BOG
😄
10 October 2015, 18:37
Choppa Nuttawhat does the word bog mean when the British use it 🙂
then the clue is as simple the story is famous 😄
10 October 2015, 18:43
Choppa Nuttahaha no and no where near 😄
think of how the British use the word BOG and what other words it also means😉
10 October 2015, 18:54
DutchAnd that is not the only home plumbing fixture dropped by a Skyraider!
See this:
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this:
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and this:
defensemedianetwork...edo-the-hwachon-dam/
13 October 2015, 12:36
Gordon SørensenThe next aircraft!
Single Engine
Parasol Wing
Fighter Trainer
But......NOT French!
14 October 2015, 19:40
Choppa NuttaIkarus IK-2
Hillson Bi-Mono Hurricane biplane (I suspect it aint the one your thinking of 🙂 )
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14 October 2015, 20:47
Choppa NuttaI'm really struggling to think of one we have not had yet...
Gonna let anyone who wants to pick this one up 🙂
16 October 2015, 17:31
Kas GrigonisI got it Choppa...
Thinking of an inter-war reconnaissance monoplane.
19 October 2015, 03:30
Melf BoyensKas keep the engine running, just give me your usual "NO" so i see that you are still alive ! 🙂
19 October 2015, 14:35
Kas GrigonisNo Melf 🙂 Crew of 2, (obviously), and a parasol wing. Sometimes known by two different manufacturer names.
19 October 2015, 16:25
Kas GrigonisWrong part of Europe, Gordon.
Two prototypes were built. The engine was changed for the production versions and one of the two different names used for the aircraft, comes from the second engine manufacturer. The third version, was the most numerous.
The aircraft was used by it's country of manufacture, as well as two other countries.
19 October 2015, 20:09
Kas GrigonisThe aircraft in question was designed & built by a Mediterranean country. The manufacturer was also known for naval guns and tanks, the latter often powered by engines built by the other manufacturer name attributed to this aircraft.
20 October 2015, 10:35
Gordon SørensenSo I am going to guess there is a Lithuanian connection...
Ansaldo A.120
21 October 2015, 03:08
Kas GrigonisYou got it Gordon 🙂 Over to you.
Rather annoyingly for me, it's also one of the important aircraft in Austrian, Italian & Lithuanian military aviation history, for which no kit exists 🙁
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21 October 2015, 12:12
Choppa NuttaMind you as aeroplanes go this has got to be one of the easier types to build from scratch given the minimal number of compound curves and it's straight forward design 🙂
21 October 2015, 12:26
Melf BoyensGordon, something "guessable" this time, just realizing how boring this modern Pentathlon has become (Gordon, Choppa, Kas, Burkard , Dutch) ...anyone i left out don't feel offended 🙂 ..there is simply nothing in it for us part time Lovers 🙂
21 October 2015, 13:12
Kas GrigonisNo choice but to scratch it Choppa. I do have a copy of the workshop assembly manual for the actual aircraft so it shouldn't be too hard😉
I thought the idea was to make it as difficult as possible Melf? 🙂
21 October 2015, 14:39
Gordon SørensenA more "guessable" aircraft it is....
This was the only aircraft designed and built in this country during WW II
Originally, 200 ordered, but eventually on 101 delivered
22 October 2015, 15:36
Gordon SørensenBurkhard got it!
Only one Vacu-form kit of it in the database.
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25 October 2015, 16:33
Melf BoyensOkay, i Show you how to through an easy one: Looking for a supersonic fighter aircraft of the Cold War era.
some Versions were equipped with overwing pylons.
29 October 2015, 13:32
Melf BoyensI always keep my promises...YES it is! Over to you and in the same way of ease and grace i expect the next dolly catch of yours!
29 October 2015, 15:06
Choppa Nuttaok dokey one easy one coming up 😄
this plane was not a gnome or an imp or sprite or an ork or a troll or a giant or an elf but it was damn ugly and has been described as a parasite and was pretty small for a military jet, despite having flown it wasn't that much of a success, cold war era again 🙂
29 October 2015, 15:33
Melf BoyensI am a Project of an Interceptor. The funny Thing about me is that i was not supposed to land the way that i took off.
29 October 2015, 15:51
Melf BoyensWas the X15 an interceptor? No actually i take off from mother earth and not from a Gondola in 30.000 feet 🙂 Actually "landing" was the , how should i say , most delicate part , as i was actually foreseen to come down in pieces!
29 October 2015, 16:00
Choppa Nuttahaha that was a blatant guess 🙂
My thinking was it was speed development testbed which lead to high speed interceptors 🙂
ok I'm having spurious thoughts about Apollo missions....
104 Starfighter with rocket assisted take off ?
I don't know
29 October 2015, 16:04
Melf BoyensNo. The concept was to produce me in big numbers. i am made from cheap raw materials.
29 October 2015, 16:22
Efthymios ChatzopoulosIcarus ? The son of the master craftsman Daedalus who ignored his father's instructions not to fly too close to the sun, whereupon the wax in his wings melted and he fell into the sea. 😄
29 October 2015, 16:28
Melf BoyensGordon got it! But bonus point goes to Efthymios for giving us an update on greek mythology! (Home advantage) so over to you Gordon.
29 October 2015, 17:40
Kas GrigonisThere were rumblings that we were making it too difficult, so we stopped and it seems nobody wanted to play any more 🙂
8 December 2015, 10:17
Kas GrigonisSure Holger!
Thinking of a twin engined, low winged transport, primarily used during World War II.
8 December 2015, 13:29
Kas GrigonisNo on both counts.
One of these 6 seater's was bought by a King and 2 even ended up in the Soviet Union.
8 December 2015, 16:06
Efthymios ChatzopoulosBeechcraft Model 18 or AT-11 Kansans or C-45 Expeditors or F-2 Expeditors (the "F" standing for "Fotorecon"😢 😄
8 December 2015, 17:28
Kas GrigonisNone of the above Efthymios, although this aircraft served in a photo-recon role too 🙂 Primarily operated for communications or passenger transport, it was designed and built before World War 2. Early in the war however, most of the Civilian examples were requestioned for military use. It was powered by 2 inline engines.
8 December 2015, 18:15
Gordon SørensenThe next aircraft:
Single Engine
Low Wing
Six Seats
Two employer Of the manufacturer tried to steal one to get around an embargo of its intended user
9 December 2015, 23:13
StilichoTwin jet. Flight might be an exaggeration but it was intended (by the pilot).
11 December 2015, 07:10
Burkhard DThe twin-jet McDonnell XFD-1 made ist first flight in 1945 on only one engine. Was developed into the FH Phantom.
11 December 2015, 16:51
Efthymios ChatzopoulosArado Ar.240 and τo be more specific it might be the C-3: Light bomber version
12 December 2015, 05:31
Burkhard DI intended to keep it easy 😉
The CA-4 is the Wacket and the CA-11 is the Woomera, but they both fit the description, anyway.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Woomera
Over to you, Edgar!
12 December 2015, 11:29
Edgars BizūnsAlrighy, here we go then..
I'm a single engine jet. I'm doing good and bad.
12 December 2015, 16:56
Edgars BizūnsI perform for shows now, but back in the day I was a killing machine.
I can sit one or two pilots in me.
14 December 2015, 15:12
Edgars BizūnsNope!
I was spread all across the world. Sometimes I was colorful, sometimes camouflaged, sometimes bare metal..
14 December 2015, 18:06
DutchI think Jorg may be correct: airliners.net/photo/..0decd003398305918b7a
14 December 2015, 19:19
Jörg LutherOk, here we go: Single engine, swept wing, T-tail jet fighter developed by a famous german designer in the 1940s.
14 December 2015, 22:21
Steven BaerselmanDid it go into production or cancelled projects are included?
14 December 2015, 22:44
Jörg LutherArmament: 4 x 20mm. Max. Speed 1080 km/h. Service ceiling 15.000m. Five Prototypes built. Four flown.
14 December 2015, 22:53
Steven BaerselmanIf cancelled projects included, yes I would also have said TA-183
14 December 2015, 22:56
Jörg LutherSecond test flight piloted by Focke-Wulf's renowned test pilot Otto Behrens. Fourth prototype piloted by Lt. Conan Doyle.
14 December 2015, 23:14
Steven Baerselmanso FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II right? It came largely from the TA-183 developement, designed by Kurt Tank who fits the bill of famous to say the least. Single engine, swept wing, t-tail. 4x 20mm armament. Not sure on the service ceiling and speed (did they ever reach that far? or was it proposed speed? Four prototypes were flown, indeed when I look it up, by Otto Behrens and Conan Doyle. 2 of the aircraft crashed.
14 December 2015, 23:27
Jörg LutherYep, Steven got it, Pulqui II. It was more or less a Ta 183 adapted for a RR Nene engine. Tank even flew the bird himself in tests and in a demo for the Argentinian president Peron. There's a quite comprehensive article at Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IAe_33_Pulqui_II
14 December 2015, 23:36
Steven BaerselmanVery interesting stuff! This little game lets you find out a lot of cool things ^^ - ok:
I think this one will be very easy... maybe too easy but we shall see 😛 In regards to the original post, its more like a riddle than a set of specifications 🙂
A very versatile aircraft that served many roles during and after ww2. Very fast and well armed for a flying piece of plywood monocoque. It also had a thing for "cookies" and famously interrupted a speech by Hermann Goering. Goering himself said this aircraft made him green and yellow with envy.
14 December 2015, 23:43
Steven BaerselmanHa. I must admit I had to look up anopheles but you are quite correct. Too easy huh.
15 December 2015, 00:25
Steven BaerselmanLol I just realised my first answer was P-80A to the original post, didn't see there were 400 other replies below the original post o.O I thought your answer F-104 was in reference to the original posted riddle haha
15 December 2015, 01:42
Jörg LutherOk, another one: Twin engine long range bomber designed by the "red baron". About 350 built. Many shot down in desparate ground attack missions.
15 December 2015, 06:20
Jörg LutherDerived from a civil airliner. Inverted gull wings. Developer, of hungarian offspring, studied in Italy. Served as officer on the russian front, where he went PoW.
15 December 2015, 13:48
Kas GrigonisYermolayev Yer-2
A Bartini design, derived from the Stal-7 prototype airliner.
15 December 2015, 17:52
Jörg LutherYer-2, exactly, Kas. Fascinating guy, il barone rosso, and fascinating designs:
en.m.wikipedia.org/w.._Ludvigovich_Bartini
15 December 2015, 17:59
Kas GrigonisI agree Jörg, Bartini definitely designed some amazing craft! Bartini and Luigi Collani are two of my favourite designers.
17 December 2015, 08:00
Kas GrigonisSorry guys. Unexpected hospital visit. Lets try this again.
Thinking of a single engined fighter, based on a well known, modern design.
19 December 2015, 11:44
Kas GrigonisWow! Stilicho nailed it first shot! Well done and over to you!
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20 December 2015, 05:27
StilichoShouldn't be hard this one. Single engine. Most notable feature was the fixed tricycle undercarriage. Orders for 15 pre-production & 100 production but only a single airframe produced. Original armament of 4 machine guns.
20 December 2015, 08:14
Burkhard DOkay, here we go: A helicopter with tricycle landing gear and triple tailfins.
20 December 2015, 10:52
DutchMcDonnell XHJD-1, (but single tail). Hmm... Kellett XR-8 or XR-10, (but stacked contra-rotating rotors). More hmm... McCulloch MC-4, (but tandem rotors and single engine). Triple hmm....
21 December 2015, 17:55
Burkhard DDutch, one of the 5 you list is it. I should have said 'not co-axial' as I meant 'not stacked one on top of the other'. If I'd say intermeshing it would be a real giveaway😉
21 December 2015, 18:53
DutchThank you Burkhard! I am thinking of a four seat aircraft with rear mounted engine and twin tail fins.
22 December 2015, 13:31
DutchNo to all these. It flew in prototype form in 1965 with a piston engine. Later a small turbine was fitted.
22 December 2015, 17:28
Jörg LutherJust in time remembered that "aircraft" not necessarily means "Flugzeug" (airplane) but is equivalent to "Luftfahrzeug", which is any flying machine 🙂
Ok, next one: I'm thinking of airplane with unusual configuration that made its maiden flight powered by two Wankel engines.
22 December 2015, 20:39
Jörg LutherThe majority of the 50 planes built in two versions saw service in south-east asia. On the production examples, a single Allison turboshaft engine mounted in the fuselage center replaced the two Wankels. 15 years after the maiden flight Rockwell offered a turbofan-powered derivate of the plane to the USAF and USN, but that was rejected.
23 December 2015, 06:20
Burkhard DI faintly remember that the Fantrainer was a contender for the US Navy VTXTS competition together with a navalized Alpha Jet. The competition was won by the T-45 Goshawk in the end.
23 December 2015, 14:09
Jörg LutherOK, that obviously was too simple for Burkhard and Dutch 😉
Yes, it's the RFB Fantrainer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFB_Fantrainer
I never understood why Luftwaffe rejected that great design not only once, but twice, even after the Royal Thai AF had proven the absolute validity of the concept ...
So Burkhard is next!
23 December 2015, 15:20
Burkhard DDucted propellers have poor efficiency at high speed and the Fantrainer was too flimsy for carrier operations.
Here's any easy one: Military cargo airplane with a rear-loading ramp and strut-braced wings.
23 December 2015, 15:32
Burkhard DOh, close race between you two. I want the designation of the Shorts in US service 😄
23 December 2015, 16:15
Jörg LutherFour engine aircraft designed as airliner. Converted for long range reconnaissance purposes by the military, including ELINT missions. Only two built, one destroyed in a spectacular accident.
23 December 2015, 21:02
Jörg Luther16-cylinder DB Diesel engines, on first aircraft in pusher configuration, on second one in puller config. Operational range 6000km. Second aircraft destroyed on the ground in WW2.
24 December 2015, 01:19
Günther DebiscopLZ 130 Graf Zeppelin II who did a recon fight during flight 24 to secretly collect information on the British Chain Home radar system?
24 December 2015, 11:22
Jörg LutherExactly, improved sister ship of LZ-129 'Hindenburg':
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_130_Graf_Zeppelin_II
It also took the first recce photos of operational Spitfires during that flight.
Merry Christmas to all!
You're next, Günther.
24 December 2015, 14:59
StilichoNot my turn but I have an aircraft of unconventional design, originally with no fewer than 8 powerplants although later an APU was added. First reported by spotters, its existence has never been acknowledged by the military forces of its country of origin. Usually used as freighter.
24 December 2015, 23:24
Burkhard DPot luck. I had just watched NORAD's Santa Tracker when you asked the question 🙂
25 December 2015, 09:22
Chris Parsonssomeone should build a Star Wars sled, pulled by (at least) 8 speeder bikes
26 December 2015, 00:08
DutchAha! I knew I had seen this somewhere before! Eight engines and an APU! You forgot to mention the intercontinental range!
Boeing B-52G(SS)* (note* Santa Sleigh) See modelingmadness.com/..ean/us/usaf/oh52.htm
26 December 2015, 15:52
Choppa Nuttaseems we've all played this game to death, probably been through every aircraft about ten times 🙂
23 January 2016, 19:22
Burkhard DNoooo, there's a lot of weird stuff left 🙂
Let's go: I am looking for a twin-engine freighter with a gull-wing 😄
23 January 2016, 22:26
Choppa Nuttadoes it come with wafers ?
and was it the one used in that Mel Gibson film Air America or something ??
Fleet 50 ?
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24 January 2016, 01:19
Burkhard DWow! Fleet 50 it is! Thought it was obscure enough 🙂
On to you, Choppa.
24 January 2016, 09:36
Choppa Nuttareally that's a surprise !! 🙂
Ok an easy one, the "Nothing" fighter 😄
29 January 2016, 21:51
Choppa NuttaExactomonty !!! 😄
How come you didn't get that first guess ? 😄
all yours bud 🙂
31 January 2016, 20:11
Choppa NuttaThat was exactly my reaction Holly, how I chuckled 😄
Sorry Edgars but you should know me well enough by now,
I'm a literal lateral thinker 😄 haha 🙂
2 February 2016, 16:46
DutchI'm a literal, lateral, horizontal & vertical thinker! Does that make me a square or a box? Because sometimes, I think outside the box too, especially after self-medicating. (Sorry, had to slip that in.)
2 February 2016, 18:51
Choppa Nutta..... No, it makes you a hyperbolic spheroid with an acutely obtuse loci of logarithmic proportions 😄
.... and don't you mean - ""😭Sorry, had to slip that OUT)"" - haha 😄
I imagine the more self medication the more horizontal the thinking yeah ? 😄
..... and yes, the medication is best served outside the box as it is usually inaccessible inside the box which is no good to no one is it not ?😉
2 February 2016, 19:08
DutchOverdose leads to horizontal thinking. I never get that far. I forgot to mention "diagonal thinking," which I often indulge in as well.
2 February 2016, 19:33
Choppa NuttaHaha, we call that "Transitional Thinking" when one is inbetween the Horizontal and the Vertical modes of Thinking 😄
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2 February 2016, 19:43
Melf BoyensWell you Laid a bomb Carpet, but Tornado detonated Spot-on! So many windy Fighters around 🙂
2 February 2016, 20:10
Choppa Nuttahaha yes indeed more than one might first have thought ! 🙂
Anyhow, I'm gonna chuck this one up in the "air" for someone else 🙂
I can't think of a plane for the "Something Fighter" clue ... 😄
2 February 2016, 20:11
Choppa NuttaBell L-39 research aircraft intended to explore the problems of low-speed flight with swept wings. [NASA]
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2 February 2016, 21:13
Choppa Nutta.
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well that's pretty much most microlights 🙂
malmo_mfi-9_junior
Fly Baby B1
STARLET SA500
2 February 2016, 21:45
Burkhard DI'll give you another clue: It is quite old, but not anywhere as old as its name suggests 🙂
3 February 2016, 11:01
Gordon SørensenNext aircraft: some were ordered ostensibly by a Swiss company, on behalf of a Swiss flying club. The Company was discovered to be a sanctions busting front for na air force.
6 February 2016, 04:37
