Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger I (late) Waffen SS (1933-1945) s.SS Pz.Abt. 101 various | 1944 | Dark Yellow, Dark Green, Red Brown
Gavin Weir Well thats a total clusterfuck ! Just bought 6253 box art as above. Its a different kit ! No Magic track, turned barrel. barrel, shackles and all the good stuff. Tracks replaced with DS rubber bands ! Even the periscope plastic is solid. If your going to decimate the parts Dragon at least give it a new part number. I think I've just been screwed and it don't feel good.
scalemates Beta feature on scalemates is to categorise kit inventory + pictures. Would be great if you could do it for the kits concerned.
2. August 2016 at 15:44:00
Gavin Weir Sorry Herbert Otto for whining. I thought it was a genuine complaint about misrepresentation. If Id wanted DS I would have bought them As for metal barrel, shackles, wire, clear plastic, bucket etc I'll just lie down and stop complaining.
5. August 2016 at 08:09:03
Urban Gardini No worries Gavin! Considering that Dragon still charge too much for the kit gives you the right to complain over the fact that it's a stripped kit. Most other kits that Dragon have reissued have only had their Magic Tracks swapped for DS tracks but nothing else.
5. August 2016 at 09:07:48
Dan M Gavin, I think you have every right to whine about this. The main problem is that Dragon is stealthily changing the kit contents. So if you knew about a great kit with a lot of extras chances are if you find it now it might no longer be that great kit with lots of extras. And this for me is a very dishonest practice.
If Dragon wants to use DS tracks and cut down on their production costs then they should issue new kit numbers.
And as far as the DS vs Magic Tracks conversation is concerned, well, that's a matter of taste. I for one don't like vinyl or vinyl-like tracks. Sure, some of them can be well-done but in my opinion the separate link tracks are superior in detail and in how they sit over the sprocket. Not to mention that is easier to control the sag.
Also, Dragon managed to blunder some of their kits with DS tracks as some of them are too short or too long or in some case they are even of the wrong type (they provided the wrong track width in one kit compared with the sprocket teeth size resulting in making almost impossible to fit the track).
5. August 2016 at 09:08:38
Derek Huggett Just a quick comment - changing the contents inside and not the box is not only a Dragon trick! Trumpeter pulled a similar one with their 1:72 'S' Tank a few years back - the 'simple' version of the kit started to appear in the first version (higher parts count) style boxes. The importer was at a loss when I raised it with them. Caveat emptor indeed!
5. August 2016 at 11:29:22
herbert otto gille it is not bad meant just for me , i do not care or its ds or seperate links please do not feel offended ,
7. August 2016 at 11:22:38
herbert otto gille btw i built this 1 kit 2 times 1 with the ds , the other with seperate links they were both very fun kits as Always with dragon tiger kits
7. August 2016 at 11:24:02
Michal Jasinski I saw this kit today in the store and wanted to buy it when I realized that something is not right.. date on the box says 2005 but it has DS tracks. I don't mind DS tracks but was wonder what about other goodies. It's shame that they are not there and this missleading box and date :/
Holger Kranich A great kit, isnt it? It just lacks the Zim. When im once a adult modeler, this shall become my masterpiece! LOL
22. December 2015 at 08:35:02
Steven Baerselman Haha don't make me nervous man now the bloody pressure is on!!!
And yes, there was an option with zim but A) i really want to do the zim myself, B) this version has some goodies in the box like metal barrel, pe etc. and C) there is a great special on this kit at 1999.co.jp so couldn't resist
Steven Baerselman DS means vinyl right? it has the magic tracks. Youtube Video
at 12:50 he shows whats in this box.
I'm looking to get some of the AFV tracks though for it. (love to get the metal ones but I can't justify the expense for that really - not yet anyway)
22. December 2015 at 12:14:04
Joerg R. Thats good, when it has the magic tracks. There is a new rebox from this year, which has DS and less extras.
Hunter Cummins Ok anthony thats good to me
I had an offer formthe 6252 and an afv club m10 for 80dollars shipped
(I take it youcant beat that??
20. May 2014 at 19:45:50
Anthony Flanagan Hunter - if you are saying you can get the 6252 and AFV Club M10 for $80, not only can I not beat it but it is a fantastic deal. You should run, not walk, to seal that deal. Let me know how that goes.
21. May 2014 at 04:45:42
Hunter Cummins Sadly I do not have 80 dollars and have no way of getting it and the guy wont do a trade so as they say its the two that got away
29. May 2014 at 15:39:37
Anthony Flanagan Ouch! Sorry to hear you lost out on the opportunity. I do not anticipate this kit going anywhere anytime soon, so let me know when you are ready to talk turkey again.
Dan Tuckerville Hey Tim Sloan I'm very interested in the 3 in 1 tiger 1 kit you have if you can give me a way to contact you like a phone number or somethin would be much appreciated best regards ,
Barkmann Let me add my bit of trivia here: the use of zimmerit was discontinued in september/october 1944. When it became clear that the reason for it (Soviets using new magnetic mines) didn't materialize. The application of the zimmerit took, depending on the use of special equipment, between 1-8 days. This delay was also a strong motivator.
Besides that, when you study wartime photos (late '44-'45), you'll notice "hybrid" Tigers where hull or turret are lacking zimmerit. This can be attributed to repair workshops using "used parts' to repair vehicles.
2. May 2014 at 08:40:40
Holger Kranich A good and strong point, Barkmann! Thank you for info!
And yes, combat, towing and workshops coud cause the partial lack of Zimmerit!
Do you have a nice link with pix of those hybrid Tigers?
2. May 2014 at 08:53:13
Barkmann @ Holger
I'd love to help you out with those pics! Unfortunately I didn't see them online, but rather have them in my personal library. You see, I stopped modelling actively some 30 years ago, but the interest didn't go away. So if I can't build'em, I'll read about them! So I built up, quite manicly, my personal WWII reference library.
Rest easy though, pictures of those hybrids are easier to find than some of the more rare beasts like the Zerstörer 45 or Objeckt 212, two of my "will-build" projects...
2. May 2014 at 09:17:06
Holger Kranich 30 Years is a long time! And now you found your way back to the mighty glue?
It sticks, even after 30 years
2. May 2014 at 09:21:13
Barkmann It did stick allright! "Back in the old days" sure has a different meaning here. It was the time that I bought my kits (mostly Tamiya, Esci and Italeri because there wasn't anything else) in a little shop not far from here owned by Francois Verlinden. There weren't any aftermarket sets, no photo-etch, no hairspray technique, no sheet styrene, no superglue and the only paints to use were Humbrol and Tamiya. It was the time when drybrushing was the pinnacle of modelling and the first experiments with oil-based washes. Sheperd Paine was the trailblazer modeller back then.
A funny afterthought is that at one of the modelling contests were I presented an "upgraded" Panther A, I got the following remark from one of the judges:
"Your model is out of scale: the turret is nothing like the one in the kit".
Today, so many years later, a model built out of the box, would get the opposite comment.
2. May 2014 at 09:45:16
Holger Kranich Haha, yeah, thats truly funny!
I remember those times, too as i replicated exhaust stains with a lighter !
Do you enjoy the possibilitys, the hobby gives you now with all the pe´s and resin etc.? Not to mention the Dragon, AFV and all the other manufracturers?
2. May 2014 at 09:58:25
Barkmann Well Holger, to be completely honest, I've not yet looked around much for kits. I still have a few relics laying about, but the cost of upgrading them to current standards doesn't really warrant the building of them. In other words I'm not willing to spend €50-€60 buying PE and upgrades for a kit that was first released in the 70's (thinking of my Tamiya KV Ic). In the last few months I've spent a lot on getting the tools, paints and stuff. Unlike most I had to start from scratch. So an airbrush with compressor, sets of brushes,thinners, primers... took a very big chunk out of my budget.
I guess it'll be a trial-and-error period for me. Browsing the web (and this website) I get the distinct impression that quality-wise there are brands worthy to be investigated. Dragon being one, but Trumpeter and Academy look promising as well.
The resin aftermarket sets and PE sure make the hobby that much more interesting. It seems like it has (finally) matured. But to be really honest, it also in a way disappoints me. With so many kits on the market nowadays, it's kinda hard to find that one unique project. I guess I miss the feeling you get when you work on something truely unique, like a variant or conversion that you know nobody has. It used to give me a sense of accomplishment.
2. May 2014 at 11:03:25
Holger Kranich I can imagine that this is a touchy situation for you. Let alone paints... Its by far not only Humbrol or Tamiya on the market, as you have seen. Some of them are wonderful for planes, some more for figures, some more for AFV´s. This can confuse the modeler. Some even have special preferences of what a paint should do.
Alone the question what the best airbrush is and what compressor workes best with it could distract the modeling society.
I know the feeling very well when you come out of the hobbyshop with new brushes, glue, tweezers etc and have a look in your wallet and it is: empty!
I dont think it hard to find the unique project. Because i always add my personal tough to my models. There is surely no variant of the Panther that was never build before but you can always make it personalized. Its "the look" of a model that makes it unique. Its my personal matter of concern that my models gives the one who look at it, a "mood" while watching!
But more than everything i build models for me! As long as i have fun, i am satisfied!
Holger Kranich Yeah its a great kit! All you need is some Zimmerit, i recommend the stuff from ATAK!
3. January 2012 at 13:03:17
Anthony Flanagan It will be awhile before I get to work on it. So I will have time to get the Zimmerit (once my budget recovers that is). I researched ATAK zimmerit and found very good reviews for it.
3. January 2012 at 17:35:14
Hunter Cummins I want tobuy this kitfromyou will pay 50 dollars cash or willdo 20with another kit of mine just let me know what youd rather do andif youwant 20 bucks with akit just letme know what your looking for and I will letyou know and bythe way they are all dragon kits from 2006 and up.so letmeknow
Or must tellme if you wouldrather not sell it
Dan Tuckerville Hello I am interested in buying or trading you for the tiger one (above) from dragon I would be most pleased if you replied with a way to get a hold of you besides through this comment box I'm very interested interested in this tank
11. August 2013 at 00:32:02
Tim Sloan sure,you can email me at email@example.com
Holger Kranich This is a hell of a great kit! You just need Zimmerit but nothing more!!!
29. December 2011 at 11:56:36
Anthony Flanagan Thanks, I hope to add this to my stash in the near future. Not sure when I would build it, but still hope to get it. Any recommendations on Zimmerit options?
29. December 2011 at 13:56:18
Urban Gardini That's the absolutly best kit out there of the late Tiger I. The DML #6406 is the same kit but with less PE n' goodies n' those horrible DS-100 tracks instead. As for zimmerit I recomend you to get the set from Atak as that's the best resin zimmerit set out there for this one. If you like to do the zimmerit yourself I'd recomend you to use either Magic Sculp or Milliput White as thin as possible. The kit though is a bit hard to get hold of n' can be quite expensive at Evilbay.
29. December 2011 at 15:18:48
Anthony Flanagan Thanks for the advice on Atak. If I ever do the zimmerit myself, I would be working on other kits long before I got to this one. True about Evilbay (good one). The kit is there and at least one seller want stupid $$!
29. December 2011 at 16:51:47
Holger Kranich Hey the ATAK zimmerit made of pe's is Even perfect for this Kit! It cost approx 35?. Expensive but great!
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