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Piper L-4H

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25 | 15. January, 23:14
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Alex K
Will gladly follow this...
15. January, 23:34
Skywalker
Welcome Alex. I decided to start this while I wait for the paint to cure on my other projects. The Lima Hotel is a beautiful plane.
15. January, 23:47
Skywalker
Alex how did your Piper PA-18 Super Cub come out? I'd love to see some pictures.
15. January, 23:51
Alex K
Oh my -blush-... The (half-started by someone else) Airmodel vacform Super Cub in question was built by a young me circa 1990-1991... I was at the time very proud just to be able to finish it... but, frankly, nothing much to show... It survives at my parents' house, which I do not currently visit due to Covid... but since you are the second person to ask (Ben has also asked) I might take some pictures some day... (so that everyone can have a laugh or at least a smile!)... Being a big Cub/Super Cub fan, I have several examples of both the land and float versions of the old KP Cub tool you just started... and so I will closely follow your efforts here... Cheers!
16. January, 00:59
Ben M
Hi Alex, I'd be very happy to just complete a vacform kit, the one time I tried the seams kept popping apart on me and I eventually put it back in the box.

Agree the piper cub is just one of those classic, well proportioned aircraft, looking forward to seeing how this one goes.
16. January, 02:25
Skywalker
Ben to keep the seams of a vacuform from popping apart it is a good idea to add a strip of styrene on the inside to attach to.
16. January, 15:16
Ben M
It's a long and complex story, but as this was a flying model, the weight of such strips would be prohibitive, the seam areas are backed by balsa. The model is a IM-99 Bomarc, large model rocket.
16. January, 17:04
Guy Rump
Definitely watching, I have one of these on order 🙂
16. January, 23:26
Skywalker
Welcome Guy. This kit requires a bit of finesse.
16. January, 23:50
Cuajete
Nice scratch building 👍
17. January, 18:52
Skywalker
After the third rebuild I finally got the cockpit looking OK.
18. January, 00:31
Alex K
Your efforts do not go unnoticed... this is a perfect tutorial... 👍
18. January, 00:56
Gordon Sørensen
Great work on the interior detailing! Hope you will be able to see all that work when it is finished!
18. January, 18:12
Skywalker
I'm debating whether to leave the door open, but that would mean cutting the clear window which I may not want to risk.
18. January, 18:16
Skywalker
More little bits added
18. January, 20:53
Spanjaard
nice scratch 🙂
18. January, 21:00
Łukasz Gliński
I fool myself every now and then I'm gonna start my KP Pipers. Following
19. January, 14:13
Skywalker
Welcome Łukasz Gliński, this kit is challenging to say the least. There is so much clear plastic that doesn't have any support.
19. January, 14:19
Cuajete
Skywalker, I'm sure that you can.
Good progress, 👍
19. January, 19:05
Skywalker
Whoever designed this kit forgot to put the 12 tiny elves in the box who were supposed to hold everything while I glue it together.
19. January, 19:54
Skywalker
I got the cockpit painted - next on to the engine...
21. January, 03:52
Skywalker
... or I may go back in and replace the floor with real wood.
21. January, 04:57
Ben M
Doing a lot with a little here!
21. January, 05:03
Łukasz Gliński
I don't think you want to rebuild the floor😉 It looks ok, not much will be visible anyway. In case you can't live with it (I know that feeling) I propose brush-painting it with a very very thinned dark brown, like I did on my trawlers deck to get a woodish result.
21. January, 08:29
Cuajete
Looking good 👍.
21. January, 12:57
bughunter
The parts look familiar to me! Some year ago I soldered the Eduard Piper Stripdown. Of course most of the parts was PE, but there was a complete plastic kit included to get wheels, cowling, engine ... An in comparison to yours it looks like KP.
Looks nice, only the internal struts on top of the cockpit should be replaced by thinner wire or so. See my bird here
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/18-flugzeuge-zivil/14435-piper-j-3-eduard.html
21. January, 21:54
Skywalker
Thanks bughunter, your strip down might be a useful reference. Unfortunately I don't have a soldering gun yet, otherwise I would have used brass tubing more to scale. I did try using super glue on the tubing but that doesn't work very well. Anyway the bars I made from styrene sheet are thinner than what was in the kit.
21. January, 22:22
Ben M
There's something that's kind of fun about making at least a halfway decent model out of one of these ridiculous masses of malformed plastic.
22. January, 03:07
Skywalker
I think I will replace the internal struts in the cockpit because they do need to be thinner and every reference photo that I could find shows that the top strut is not hourglass shaped but V shaped. Does anyone know why the kit has an hourglass strut on top? Maybe something I don't know?
22. January, 04:50
Skywalker
I spent two hours this morning stretching sprue. It took me a while to figure out how to control the thickness but I figured it out. So hopefully I can now replace the struts.
22. January, 09:27
bughunter
There was one strut PE on my kit, so it looks like two V: [img1]
More pics in the build report: https://modellboard.net/index.php?topic=51213.0
 
22. January, 15:32
Skywalker
So the KP kit did get it wrong. That is what I was thinking after doing further research. Thank you bughunter.
22. January, 19:27
Cuajete
Nice carving wooden propeller 👍.
24. January, 18:22
Skywalker
The new struts are on. In the end I the only part I used from the kit in the cockpit was the seat.
25. January, 20:45
Cuajete
Much better 👍
25. January, 20:54
Spanjaard
indeed, much better
25. January, 20:55
Skywalker
Yes, a dramatic difference. These struts are much better than the last ones base off of the kit.
25. January, 21:44
Guy Rump
Looking good 🙂
25. January, 22:33
Skywalker
It's starting to look like a plane
2. February, 13:22
Cuajete
Looks top! 👍
I recommend that you don't glue the plumbs with cyanoacrylate (if they are glued with this).
It can cause problems in the future due to the vapors.
2. February, 20:01
Łukasz Gliński
What livery?
2. February, 20:41
Skywalker
The floats provided are shorter than normal which makes the plane a tail sitter. Since there is a rudder on the tail I am assuming that this is the correct position. I have never seen a Piper with a tail rudder. Does anyone know if this is correct or should I lift the tail?
3. February, 19:54
Łukasz Gliński
The SP-AFY had the small float rudder only (it's still flying today, but on wheels and in US Army disguise):
[img1]
Never seen a Piper Cub with such biggie rudder and definitely it wasn't a tailsitter:
https://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/2532 (Polish Aviation Museum pics)
 
3. February, 20:18
Skywalker
I've found Pipers with large tail rudders while doing research but none seem to be tail sitters. I'm going to assume that this is just another error from KP. I will try to correct the position by adding skegs and float rudders to the floats, since the lead weights I put in the nose and floats didn't seem to help with the position.
4. February, 15:29
Gordon Sørensen
As per Lucasz' picture, I think the float bracings need to be more vertical. They look overly angled forward. Also, look where the floats mount - rear brace attachment should be near the step and forward attachment farther forward.
4. February, 18:09
Alex K
The good news is I greatly enjoy this project / thread and appreciate immensely Skywalker's efforts... and all the mates' input (the bad news is I'm now afraid of starting the KP Cub kits in my stash... as I was planning...). But great tutorial, in any case...
4. February, 18:30
Skywalker
Alex, if you will be doing this kit you'll need "Glue n Glaze" or something similar to mount the windows.
Glue n Glaze (Deluxe Materials AD55, No)

No Glue n Glaze (Deluxe Materials AD55)
 
4. February, 18:35
Skywalker
I am doing the 9206 version. But if you notice the SP-AFY has W shaped float bracings where as the kit has provided N shaped float bracings. I don't know which would be correct for the 9206, but N shaped by bracings do exist on Piper's as can be seen here [img1]
 
4. February, 18:47
Gordon Sørensen
I would say the kit-supplied rear brace is too short. The floats should be somewhat parallel to the wing...
4. February, 19:31
Skywalker
Well the skegs didn't straighten the plane so it looks like I will have to replace the float bracings with the original W shape. Thank you KP!
4. February, 19:38
bughunter
And move the floats a bit back. Compare your pic 48 with the others, also on your yellow one is the rear brace vertical.
4. February, 20:14
Łukasz Gliński
Just a note, the yellow Cub is a modern one, the KP propopsals are not. That may explain the differences 🙂
4. February, 20:45
Gordon Sørensen
[img1]
Bit better side-view of the 'N' strut arrangement. I would say KP has mounted the floats incorrectly parallel to the rear fuselage and made the struts too short to fit the profile.
 
4. February, 21:00
Skywalker
I've replaced the float bracings, with stretched sprue, using the original W shape. It seems to be working. I just have to wait for the glue to dry to make sure.
4. February, 21:03
Skywalker
Ready for priming, unless anyone knows if I missed something.
5. February, 23:14
Skywalker
Ah, I found a few more details to do.😉
6. February, 02:05
Cuajete
Nice details and good corrections 👍.
6. February, 18:04
Skywalker
Ailerons, rudder and elevators reattached.
7. February, 23:33
Skywalker
The painting has begun.
8. February, 19:59
bughunter
May be it is a bit late, but do you know this wonderful video from 1943? It shows a huge amount of details and show the filigree construction of the Piper.
Youtube Video
If I see such video, I want to build my own plane immediately!

 
28. February, 20:56
Skywalker
Wow great video. I've been a bit delayed on the modeling from real life. Looking forward to finishing up as soon as I get some time.
1. March, 21:29
Guy Rump
Pre-shading looks great, looking forward to the next steps 🙂
1. March, 21:31
Skywalker
Finally, I got some time to model again. Preshading completed. On to the real painting!
5. April, 17:47
6. April, 17:43
Łukasz Gliński
Impressive shading
6. April, 19:34
Alex K
Glad to see work resuming on this one again! 👍
7. April, 00:20
Skywalker
Thank you Alex. I hope I can encourage you to jump in with both hands and start your Piper kits. I've had to rework this one several times just to figure out where the problems with the kit are but I think now that you know what they are you should be able to finish it without difficulty.
7. April, 14:13
Skywalker
Well I managed to drop a tool right on top of the model today. Busted the landing gear up pretty bad. I was able to fix it, but now its a little bit off center. Its not worth redoing the entire landing gear all over again from scratch. I'm just going to keep going and call it good enough.
9. April, 20:44
Skywalker
And the painting begins...
10. April, 21:24
Cuajete
Well done so far 👍
11. April, 17:26
Ronan
Very nice surgery 👍
11. April, 19:47
Skywalker
Thank you Cuajete and Ronan.
11. April, 19:50
Skywalker
Red wing tips and nose applied. Engine painted. On to the floats...
12. April, 15:41
Cuajete
Nice colors 👍
12. April, 17:57
Guy Rump
Looking good 👍
12. April, 18:22
Ben M
It makes things look so much more realistic when you do things like pose the ailerons like you did, Skywalker. Someday I should learn how to do it!
13. April, 00:12
Skywalker
Ben it is actually quite easy. You just need a good razor saw.
13. April, 06:57
Łukasz Gliński
My decals look suspicious too. Thx for the tip, will consider getting replacement ones from Czechia 👍
4. May, 19:09

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