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Updated: November 11, 2018
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JOHN THOMAS Hey guys just a short post. I just found the NEW bottle of Pledge Floor Gloss/Future. I found it at Walmart for $6.00 Dollars US for a pint. I will try it out soon on my X-Plane Projects. In photo no.3 I show the three bottles of future from the pass. The new bottle date to 2017, the middle bottle to 2014 and the third bottle to 2011. I think I have an older bottle of Future some were and if I find it I will post an photo of it.
11. November 2018 at 16:48:50
Burkhard D I still use a bottle of Future obtained in 1998 and have a second one in reserve. I wonder what the "best use before" date is!? :)
11. November 2018 at 16:57:09
JOHN THOMAS Burkhard, that is a very good question. I just added two more bottles to my Future collection which dates back to 2010 as my oldest bottle. I still think I have an older bottle I will keep looking. If you look photo no. 5 you can see that the bottle has a yellow tint that bottle is eight years old. BTW the date I am using is the date on the bottle label, the contents could be older. The only real change you can see for each bottle is the labels. My bottles have been kept in a cool dark basement, no sun light or high or low temps.
11. November 2018 at 18:13:56
Rex John, would you do me a favor, please. (and anyone that is looking for Future because they don't have any)
Would you look at each of your bottles and tell us what UPC numbers each bottle has? I ask because the UPC is about the only thing that stayed constant through the years that the names changed and the formula stayed constant. There are bottles out there with different UPC numbers, and those are different formulas, one is for wood floors, and the ones like the Blue Boots bottle are for vinyl/linoleum floors. (we don't want the Wood floors version for our models)

Also, concerning yellowing,,,,,,,,,,a lot of the time, it is the plastic bottle that is yellowing over time, not the actual liquid. Easy to check, pour some in a glass bottle or beaker and look through it.

There have also been "cleaner/polish" versions, which again, are NOT what is wanted for models. It was designed to soften old coatings and mix the new with them as it laid down. Imagine an Aquous Acrylic painter having the paint softened and then the clear swirled into it, instead of just a clear overcoat over the paint.
12. November 2018 at 02:39:46
Michael Phillips I agree with Rex, I would like to see the UPC. They keep changing the bottle AND name of this stuff, so it is hard to keep up with what is what nowadays. The last one I bought had the blue boots as well, and I might need to get some more rather soon.
12. November 2018 at 03:39:49
Cortex Good stuff, I dip clear parts in, also airbrush to seal paint or lay decals on .. never had problems with.
12. November 2018 at 04:04:58
JOHN THOMAS Rex,Michael and Cortex Thanks. Rex and Michael I will post the UPC numbers for you
12. November 2018 at 13:17:59
JOHN THOMAS Rex, the new bottle Pledge floor gloss dated 2017 UPC=46500 00182, Pledge Floor Care 2X shine dated 2014 UPC=46500 00182, Pledge Floor Care tile & vinyl floor dates 2011, UPC=46500 00182, Pledge Floor Care multi-surface date 2012 UPC=46500 00182 and Pledge Floor Care wood floor date 2010 UPC=46500 71857. Out of the five bottles that I have they all have the same UPC number 46500 00182. But the Pledge Floor Care wood floor has a different UPC number 46500 71857. The wood floor bottle does have the Future logo on the bottle label as does the tile and vinyl floor bottle. Rex thanks for the tips.
12. November 2018 at 13:43:33
Michael Phillips Thanks John, that is great info! Now I know the new "Future" bottle looks like the ones in your picture, and therefore which one to purchase.
12. November 2018 at 14:48:44
JOHN THOMAS Michael OK
12. November 2018 at 15:28:58
Patrick Hagelstein This is a great thread! I bought my new bottle of Future (the 'revive it') only Friday after painstakingly looking through the whole Walmart isle the check if I just missed my known bottles and then just residing with this one. Glad you guys found out I accidentally picked the right one!
12. November 2018 at 15:41:43
JOHN THOMAS Patrick, I am glad that I helped in a small way.
12. November 2018 at 17:16:28
Rex 71857

Don't use this UPC on your plastic models. The other ones are the same as the old Future. 71857 does not work the same way, though.

You can test that out for yourself, though. Build a model that doesn't matter to you much, or build one with just the large basic parts cemented together. After painting, spray 71857 on it, decal it, and cover with 71857. Then try to pick it up bare handed after 1 month, 3 months, 6 months and 1 year. Even after I year, you will still be able to leave fresh fingerprints in the clear coat, if you hold the model for 1 minute or more.

00182 bottles will work just like Future from the past,,,,,you could cover a plastic sheet with it, and hit it with a hammer without scratching it.
12. November 2018 at 17:19:03
JOHN THOMAS Rex, thanks so much for the info.
12. November 2018 at 18:18:04
Spanjaard i am glad that all my stash is 46500 00182 (floor care finish) :)
12. November 2018 at 23:45:55
Spanjaard timeline for this product needs update ;)
https://scalemates.com/colors/color.php?id=9796
we only have one in the database :)
12. November 2018 at 23:46:56
JOHN THOMAS Spanjaard, Thanks
13. November 2018 at 01:09:33
Lee Fogel Thank you for the info and proper UPC number to look for.
13. November 2018 at 02:07:50
Ben M Following so I don't lose this info
13. November 2018 at 02:09:13
JOHN THOMAS Lee and Ben, Thanks
13. November 2018 at 02:42:47
Rex Lee and others,,,,,,another tip is to look through the bottle, the UPC is on the back of the label. Some generations of Future had a different UPC on the front, and the correct one on the back.
13. November 2018 at 08:10:57
Treehugger I have a white bottle with blue cap, of 'Pledge Multi-Surface Wax'. 750ml.

The number below the bar code is: 5 000204 604177. I have still no idea if this bottle is usable for applying a gloss coat onto models. I've had it in store for a while without really using it. Bought it off eBay some time ago, as this branded product isn't common where I live.
13. November 2018 at 08:38:21
JOHN THOMAS Rex thanks again
13. November 2018 at 13:03:31
JOHN THOMAS Treehugger, I don't know if the Pledge in the white bottle is Future? I don't know if the UPC number would be different out side the US. I would test it first on an old model before using it. You may want to look at ebay again for the new bottle.
13. November 2018 at 13:10:40
Lee Fogel Thank you Rex I will follow your advice. ;)
13. November 2018 at 14:50:21
Ben M Thank you so much for this thread. I have never used future before and bought a bottle the other day to try. Good to know I accidentally got the "right" kind!
15. November 2018 at 14:31:20
Patrick Hagelstein Lucky you Ben! ;) You'll love the product by the way!
15. November 2018 at 14:33:04
Michael Phillips I agree with Patrick. I use it for quite a few things:

1. Dip canopies for extra clarity and to remove fine scratches and other imperfections.

2. Clear Coat for paint sealing and decal application prep. I actually BRUSH it on the entire model as opposed to spraying it. I seem to get much better results that way and it is actually faster to do. The leveling properties of this stuff is amazing! I always seem to get "orange peel" when I spray the stuff.

3. Used as a decal setting agent. The high surface tension of future actually does a fantastic job of pulling decals into crevices, over contours, etc. However, I don't like to use it with larger decals as you do have to work quickly with this method as it will begin to set after a minute or so on the model. Also, this method is fantastic for helping to eliminate silvering and also blends decals into the paint very well once the flat coat is applied over it.

4. I use it as a base to my own home-made final flat coat. I mix 6 parts future to 1 part Tamiya X-21 Flat Base. This gives a very nice flat finish that can be adjusted to taste by altering the mixture ratio. I would not recommend going below 4:1 ratio though, as too much of the X-21 can lead to frosting.

So it is a very versatile and inexpensive tool for the modeller arsenal, hence the reason modellers go nuts over the stuff!
15. November 2018 at 14:43:48
Patrick Hagelstein Thanks for that ratio Michael!
15. November 2018 at 14:45:51
JOHN THOMAS Thanks guy's. I like the flat base idea, I will test it out.
15. November 2018 at 16:52:52
Michael Phillips Also, for my flat coat mixture, I create it in batches that I put in a cleaned out used 40mL Tamiya primer jar. Each time I put some in my airbrush before use I usually add about 25% Mr Color Levelling Thinner to the mix in the cup as well.
15. November 2018 at 18:33:19
Ben M I love the sharing of techniques on this site, thank you everyone who takes the time to help others.
15. November 2018 at 18:59:45
JOHN THOMAS Hey guy's, Michael and Ben Thanks again.
16. November 2018 at 01:05:37
Gordon Sørensen Like Michael, I use for my canopies too.
If you dip before you paint the frames, it is easier to remove any paint that gets under the masks.
Just use a wide brush and use it as a clear coat for decalling, and to help as a decal settling agent.
You have enough there to last ages, John!
16. November 2018 at 01:26:51
Tom ... Michael, do you have a mix ratio for semi gloss/satin?
16. November 2018 at 04:01:35
Michael Phillips Tom, I have not yet attempted to do a satin or semi-gloss finish, but I would start with a 15:1 ratio then adjust from there. Maybe try on a scrap painted piece first to see how that looks. I'm guessing the sweet spot for a nice satin finish is going to be in the 12-15:1 range.
16. November 2018 at 05:00:59
JOHN THOMAS Gordon , Thanks. As slow as I build I have enough Future to last many years. I also use Future as a clear coat on my wood model bases and as a clear coat on my dioramas as wet mud or for glossing water. Check out my album on how I do my model bases.
16. November 2018 at 13:05:53
JOHN THOMAS Tom, thanks
16. November 2018 at 13:06:51
JOHN THOMAS Hey Michael, at what PSI are you spraying your Future and Flat Coat Mix? I spray mine Future Gloss Coat at around 18 to 20 PSI with a .03 needle in my airbrush.
16. November 2018 at 13:09:15
Michael Phillips John, I also spray it around 20PSI with a .03 Iwata Eclipse HP-CS. I spray this mixture at a bit higher PSI than I do with paints.
16. November 2018 at 15:27:57
Bryn Crandell @Michael Phillips thanks for the tips. I'll have to add to my cheap book. As for airbrushing I have a Aztek with a GP nozzle that I have dedicated to spraying Future. I think the psi I shoot at is 15-20.
16. November 2018 at 15:41:26
JOHN THOMAS OK, Bryn and Michael thanks so much.
16. November 2018 at 16:13:03
16. November 2018 at 18:35:49
JOHN THOMAS Chris, Thanks
17. November 2018 at 02:32:28
Donald Dickson II OK, this was an awesome post! I had no idea how to tell if it was still the same stuff. Now I know. I may run to the 24 hour Wally world and see if they have it...
17. November 2018 at 04:00:19
Donald Dickson II OK, and what do you all use to clean the airbrush after the Future?
17. November 2018 at 04:07:40
Michael Phillips Donald, I use plain old store bought Lacquer Thinner to clean it out... in fact, I use it to clean pretty much everything I spray. It will clean out anything almost instantly.

I clean out of the cup, and run it through the airbrush. I then put a little 90% Isopropyl Alcohol in the cup and spray a some through so there is no Lacquer Thinner left in the brush, and leave about a third of a cup full of alcohol in the cup, attach the lid, and put it away. I keep the alcohol in the cup to keep the needle from sticking when I use the brush again. I am not the best at keeping my airbrushes clean LOL.
17. November 2018 at 04:35:25
Donald Dickson II LOL I use Lacquer thinner for my Alclads and my Testors when I run out of their thinner. So I have plenty, though I am getting low. But I shall use that. And yep, Wally World here had it. So I gots some now. :D
17. November 2018 at 05:48:39
JOHN THOMAS Donald I am glad you found some. Michael and Donald, I clean my airbrush out with both Windex and 90% IPA when lots of soapy water when lots of clean water and don't let the Future set in the brush it will gum it up.
17. November 2018 at 13:42:05
Chris Greathouse I use Iwata airbrush cleaner Immediately after finishing with Future... John is right, don't let it set, or there'll be a mess.
17. November 2018 at 15:57:27
JOHN THOMAS Chris Thanks
17. November 2018 at 16:59:35
Spanjaard Don't let it dry, or you may have no airbrush... Remember it is designed to harden so you can WALK on it :D :D
I clean it with pure alcohol (99%IPA)
17. November 2018 at 21:47:00
Robbie Folks, when dealing with this stuff - pure ammonia is your best friend... Even says so on the bottle. FYI I still have two bottles of the original "Future" labeled stuff.
17. November 2018 at 21:59:38
Tom ... Hmm, I've been using 70% IPA... seems fine but maybe I need to pay attention to it.
17. November 2018 at 23:08:20
Spanjaard i hate how amonia smells :D :D and it can affect some materials, like some seals inside of some airbrushes ;)
17. November 2018 at 23:20:48
Robbie So far no issues with blasting ammonia through the trusty airbrush but ya it makes doing old school enamels a walk in the park when it comes to smell. If you clean right after spaying the stuff then ya water will be ok. However you don't clean right away, seals or not, you got yourself one diehard clogged up airbrush :P
18. November 2018 at 00:36:22
Donald Dickson II Hmmmm. There will be a Future only airbrush in this household...
18. November 2018 at 04:24:07
Robbie I have a old Paashe H1 and/or Testors ModelMaster (now Aztek) I reserve just for spraying Future or any clear coat for that matter. Paashe is really easy to clean. Only 3 parts.
18. November 2018 at 13:45:14
JOHN THOMAS Thanks guy's. That why I use Windex with Ammonia. for cleaning my airbrush. Ammonia can eat at the Brass parts of airbrushes and may be some of those cheap rubber O-rings seals, that why I flush the Windex with 90% IPA and when water and if needed I would tier down the airbrush and clean the needle and nozzle real good. BTW Windex smells better than pure Ammonia. Not sure how much Ammonia is in Windex it seam to work. Right now I do not have a airbrush just for Future but may need to. Christmas would be a good time to look for one. Needles to say all way wear a mask when spraying any cleaner thru an airbrush.
18. November 2018 at 14:09:28
Spanjaard mask is always a good idea when airbrushing... you can replace needles and nozzles, lungs are a bit more complicated :D :D
19. November 2018 at 00:18:57
JOHN THOMAS Spanjaard, Thanks I agree
19. November 2018 at 01:23:57
Donald Dickson II Those of you who airbrush it. Do you thin it and with what?
25. November 2018 at 03:30:57
Spanjaard Straight from the bottle for me
25. November 2018 at 06:18:05
Alexander Jost Cleaning: REVELL Airbrush Clean (also traded as Dowanol, substance/chemically: Methylethylketon

Thinning: SIMPLE GREEN cleaning liquid, thinned 1/10 with destilled water. Excellent for all water-based colours! (see simplegreen.com or extrade.de)
25. November 2018 at 10:33:55
JOHN THOMAS Alexander, Thanks. Donald I do not thin Future I also use it straight from the bottle.
25. November 2018 at 15:04:31
Chris Greathouse Straight from the bottle for me too
25. November 2018 at 17:25:23
JOHN THOMAS Thanks Chris
26. November 2018 at 02:01:02
Michael Hickey Not only do I use Lacquer Thinners to clean out Alclad II but I use it to thin down my Gunze & Tamiya paint. One thing you don't want to mix Lacquer Thinners with is paints like Vallejo, AK, Mig and Meng. Those water based paints really go glumpy when they come in contact with Lacquer Thinners.
26. November 2018 at 03:09:43
Alexander G. Has anyone tried to lower the surface tension of FUTURE somehow? I use it as a base for decals and as an overcoat afterwards. It tends to form droplets on the surface if you apply too much at once, ESPECIALLY on decals. It spreads really poorly on them. Future is terrific stuff but it wasn't designed to be spray applied after all and a lower surface tension would make it a truly magic product...I've had a quick glance at the thread and thought Gunzes Leveling Thinner might be a solution, never worked with this stuff.

I apply it straight from the bottle btw and use IPA or Ethanol to clean the airbrush.
26. November 2018 at 05:51:47
Michael Hickey I use it the same way Alexander, but I find if I spray it in light enough coats it works fine. Don't know what dishwashing soap would do in the mix of it. I use dishwashing soap in my bowl of water when I'm decaling to break the water tension.
26. November 2018 at 09:31:34
Alexander G. Yeah, I thought about dishwashing soap too, in essence we need some kind of a 'surfactant'. Question is how else will it affect the 'Future' itself? I think the only way to know is to try..
26. November 2018 at 10:35:56
JOHN THOMAS Thanks guy's. I hand brush small areas but also use light coats when airbrushing. One other use of Future that I tried is to mix Future into Acrylic Model Master paints. I did one test with about 10% to improve the paint and I liked the way it worked. I also made a mix with Poly Scale Acrylic Aluminum for an NMF on an P-40N which turned out nice. I used the Future to improve flow and add toughness to the mix for masking and it seam to have worked. I still need to do more tests mixing Future with Model Master Acrylic paints. I do know that Future does not like Tamiya paints in one test I did. I dont know about other water base paints.
26. November 2018 at 13:14:27
Kit Kabinet Great info in this thread! Unfortunately there no longer seems to be a Pledge Future equivalent available in Europe. I still have half a bottle of the old Pledge version (which I guard with several nasty pointy instruments) but if anyone knows the current equivalent in Europe, I'm very interested.
Also interested in breaking the surface tension, as I also noticed it tends to bead on decals. Soap may get frothy, so I'm careful with that. I'll have to check if glycerin or glaze medium will work. Warcolours has a surfactant in their range that claims to do the job, but I have also read that it doesn't act well with just every product.
8. March at 23:50:46
Robbie @Kit... I am not sure how it is on you side of the big pond but - Amazon or Ebay can be your friend - hint hint
9. March at 01:28:19
Spanjaard yes, the problem is the shipping costs.... I got some via Amazon, only issue was that the seller is only selling in UK, Germany and France. so i have to order via family in france.
9. March at 12:48:30
Kit Kabinet Indeed, shipping costs make it very expensive. I hope that the amount that I still have will last me long enough for Pledge to re-introduce this formula on the EU market. Although I fear there's probably some dumb law against one of the ingredients, otherwise they would probably have re-released it here already..
12. March at 00:30:30
Robbie Well folks, I did not factor in shipping ;(. Did not know it was that evil over there. (thanks great-grandpa for moving to this side of the pond).
12. March at 00:38:59
Mark Parkinson Could this be the latest European equivalent to Future?
https://sainsburys.co.uk/sho..edge-multi-surface-wax-750ml
I can only seem to find it sold here or Amazon and ebay though
12. March at 09:09:16
JOHN THOMAS Thanks Guy's more great info. Hey guys do any of you car builder use Future on your cars bodies? I don't build to many cars but I have one I would like to build, I was thinking of dipping the whole car body in future.
12. March at 15:56:12
Spanjaard I would love je to hear how that goes John.
14. March at 19:30:09
Martin Oostrom Just beware of pooling. Dipping the windows of my toyota led to rippled windows. Hard to see, but it is there.
14. March at 19:53:42
Chris Greathouse Try dipping, then letting the liquid pool at the bottom while the piece is vertical, then just tap the bottom of the window on a piece of paper towel... The towel will soak up the excess and there should be little to no pooling.
14. March at 20:51:40
Matthew A Mark I bought some of the multi surface wax when it first came out in that bottle - It left may floor, table and boots streaky so didn't try it on a kit. I go past Johnson's in Frimley a lot and each time wonder if the formula has changed since.
14. March at 23:02:07
JOHN THOMAS Thanks guy's, I will let you know how it goes I may even make a project out of it and post some photos. The kit I have is the Monogram 1970 Plymouth Superbird with the rear wing. I did see the NASCAR version of this car race at Dayton in 1970 and it won. The kit plastic is a sky blue color witch would be hard to match so I will try to kept the plastic body color. I am thinking of dipping all the kit body parts separately even the glass and just paint the parts that need painting. This would be my first car project in over 30 years. I may do some plumbing and wiring.
15. March at 00:46:19
Rui S Very interesting. I still have to buy it from ebay because it dosen´t exist here.
6. April at 19:02:37
JOHN THOMAS Rui S, Sorry to hear that, it's very useful stuff
7. April at 12:22:48
Rui S Yeah John, i can just imagine that' :( & I'm só very curious about it 8)
Cheap and very useful his just my thing :D
7. April at 12:26:53
JOHN THOMAS Rui S, I was very luck to have visited Portugal many years ago. spent two days in Lisbon back in the mid 1960's and in High School I was the Ambassador from Portugal in our School's UN.
7. April at 12:40:32
Donald Dickson II They have this at my Walmart. At least they did a month ago. If anyone wants it, let me know. I will be more than happy to get it and ship it. No profit, just cost. Though I am sure shipping across the pond would be expensive.
7. April at 15:27:33
Christian Bruer Great thread, thx for all the intersting Information. Now I know the Pledge I got from a modelling friend is the right stuff.
7. April at 16:00:41
Rui S John,, Very glad to know that' you liked the time you spent here even if it was só long ago. I was born 5 years after that' and we have evolved a lot since :)
@ Donald thanks for your attention. I will see if i can get it from europe first. But Nice to know that' you can help.
7. April at 18:40:06
JOHN THOMAS Thanks guy's, All the Pledge/ Future that I have found was at my local Walmart. I just used my bottle of Pledge/ Future the other day when I clear coated my F-18C project.
7. April at 20:00:23
Spanjaard I got mine for a decent price in Amazon, the only problem was that they only sell it in Germany, UK and France. They do not ship to other countries. Fortunately I could get it via family in France. If anybody want to know the seller details, let me know. It was the cheapest option to get full bottles across the pond
There is people reselling the stuff in smaller bottles on Ebay, but I never tried them. Specially since you can not be sure of what you get.....
8. April at 20:38:22
Jos Jansen I ordered through Amazon and they shipped it to the Netherlands...
8. April at 22:37:02
JOHN THOMAS Jos and Spanjaard, thanks for the info
9. April at 00:00:17
Spanjaard hi Jos, i guess it is a question of price...
this is the one i used https://amazon.fr/gp/product/B000ARPH4C 17.74EUR per bottle to France. it is possible to have it in German Amazon https://amazon.de/gp/product/B000ARPH4C for 19.52EUR and UK for 12.99GBP https://amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000ARPH4C funny enough.
German, French or UK do not ship to NL, but from Amazon Spain, they do :P https://amazon.es/gp/product/B000ARPH4C for 15.77EUR but with 3.95 to shipping to Spain or 6.03 to Netherlands. If anybody knows a cheaper one, please post it here, somebody can benefit from it :)
9. April at 13:51:40
Spanjaard my first bottle was shipped to NL... but it was much more expensive, via EvilBay....
9. April at 14:21:02
JOHN THOMAS Spanjaard, great info but I have a question being from the US, I though that the EU was one happy family so why would a EU Country not ship a product to another EU Country. Also could a person from the Netherlands or other EU Country just take the train to England or Germany and buy as much Pledge/ future as you would like for personal use. A very enterprising person could buy lots of Pledge/ Future and sell it at Model Shows, just an idea. I have to travel 40 miles to my model shop one way for my kits and supplies I do buy a little on Ebay.
9. April at 14:21:12
Spanjaard Usually EU countries and specially EU webshops do not make a problem to sell anywhere in EU. but Amazon does what they want.... besides, i think it is a question of the seller not wanting to make their life complicated... specially if they are based in US, so they ship to a few countries only, and they do not care about the others.
9. April at 14:38:10
Gordon Sørensen Wow! $6.25 US at Walmart. Shipping would probably be extremely expensive though...
9. April at 14:50:18
JOHN THOMAS Spanjaard, I see. I am lucky to be able to buy as much Pledge/Future as I like from my Walmart which is less than a mile from my house.
9. April at 14:52:40
Jos Jansen

https://amazon.com/dp/B015RY.._r_other_apa_i_7OoRCbCQACZWY

I ordered via a seller in the States, last year for 50 bucks...now you can buy it for 20 bucks, two bottles...shipped to the Netherlands. Of course not as cheap as you can get it on your bike to the Walmart, but it is fantastic stuff and you really can use it for a very long time!
9. April at 19:04:23
Martin Oostrom Thanks Jos. Really a shame that shipping is €488,-
9. April at 19:16:27
Burkhard D A study in yellowing with samples from 1998, 2000, 2017 (left to right) :D

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5. May at 07:47:06
Ralf Schoenen Just found on Amazon
Pledge11182 Revive It Bodenglanz, 69 ml, klar transparent https://amazon.de/dp/B000ARP.._sw_r_cp_api_i_HYPZCb475533W
5. May at 08:22:48
Ralf Schoenen If the above link does not work,just search „Pledge floor care
5. May at 08:26:10
JOHN THOMAS Thanks, guys. I am very glad that very one is enjoying my Future thread. May be we can post some of the different use for Future other than clear coats. Thanks Burkhard D for the Yellowing photo.
5. May at 12:11:55
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