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Patrick Hagelstein (Hagel)
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SCM Aggressor Group Build Fall 2019

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1 1 October 2019, 01:30
Stephan Ryll
I'll take a seat 🙂
1 October 2019, 15:14
Patrick Hagelstein
Welcome Stephan! You might have to remove the seat cover before sitting down. I'm planning on covering the seat and HUD as seen in picture 2 and 3 to emphasize the Nevada heat on the Fallon ramp. 😉
1 October 2019, 15:41
Bernhard Schrock
Fine fine fine! I'm very happy to see this project Patrick! I think it was 20 years or so when I built the #01 and used the same decal sheet of HDL...
modellversium.de/gal..hornet-hasegawa.html
1 October 2019, 15:55
Daniel
Aaah, now that you say that Bernhard, your hornet on MV was a huge inspiration to me some years ago 👍 this is the outcome:

modellversium.de/gal..=13058&origin=mb
1 October 2019, 16:28
Patrick Hagelstein
😄 What a coincidence! Both Bernard's and Daniel's builds are saved as a bookmark for reference for this build. I'm honored and humbled by your presence and can only hope I can live up to your expectations for this build. 🙂 @Hans, you know I'll always reserve a seat for a regular attendee. 😉
1 October 2019, 16:56
Donald Dickson II
*barges in* Hey everyone! 😄
3 October 2019, 21:37
Clifford Keesler
Awesome.
3 October 2019, 21:39
Patrick Hagelstein
Hi there! 😄
3 October 2019, 21:39
Stephan Ryll
Nice start Patrick 👍
4 October 2019, 07:46
Clifford Keesler
Agree with Stephan, great start.
4 October 2019, 21:46
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks guys! More to follow later this weekend after my camping trip in Texas. 👍
5 October 2019, 05:45
Jos Jansen
Patrick, count me in as well...looking forward to see more photos of your progress! 👍 Have fun in 'The lone star State' ...we're going?
5 October 2019, 07:00
Patrick Hagelstein
Welcome Jos! Yesterday I returned from Eisenhower State Park at the shores of Lake Texoma just on the state line between Oklahoma and Texas. It was fun and I met a lot of fellow country men and women. 🙂 Back in the office again and hopefully I can find some time for this bird in this weeks evenings. On we go! 🙂
7 October 2019, 12:34
Harry Eder
Have to see this one! 😉 Nice start! 👍
8 October 2019, 05:06
Bart Goesaert
looking good so far..
8 October 2019, 11:17
Patrick Hagelstein
Welcome aboard guys! 👍 Thanks! 🙂
8 October 2019, 13:06
Slavo Hazucha
Joining in, looking rather promising there😉 👍
9 October 2019, 08:23
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Slavo! Glad you could join in and hopefully I might be able to pick your brain in the process. For now the only thing that looks promising, is that I have an order out for new airbrush needle seals and a completely new valve for my 0.2 airbrush and that I had set aside some new needle sets for all my airbrushes. Tonight I might be investing in thoroughly cleaning and servicing my airbrushes in front of the TV before any more work on the Bug can be done.
9 October 2019, 13:10
Slavo Hazucha
I took it from the last comment in the pic that you´ll be taking the current splattered pattern as a base for marbling and then go over once again with fine lines... Which I´d be happy to watch, could give quite a result - I personally think marbling with tones of the final colors instead of just gray-scale is a thing😉 Regarding the "incident", it´s really strange, I sprayed several bottles of MRP colors dry and this never really happened not even with the somewhat sub-par primer... I go with rather low pressures and super-thin layers and they just work spot on - before a run, I blast 3 drops of cleaner through the Airbrush (iwata Neo, nothing too fancy...) and all goes fine 99% of the time...
9 October 2019, 14:30
Patrick Hagelstein
Oh no, not at all! The painted Bug is 'only' a slapped together Revell/Italeri 1980's vintage paint mule. I just wanted to know what mixing ratios I needed in order to get the exact same colors as the decals. Because the markings follow the contours of the paint scheme in the contrasting color, I need to be very specific. In case of a 'normal' Ghost Grey jet, any color would be fine as the markings are a different color anyway. So, that's my reason behind this paint test. On the real Academy Hornet, which I only just started on, I will go for black primer as well and then slowly build up all the colors with marbling the greys, sands and browns over a colorful palet to get that faded discolored look from being bleached by the Nevada sun.
In picture 9 you can see the MRP paints I used to mix the sand (basically Desert Tan with only a hint of Red Brown). The Ghost Grey was also MRP by the way... The Brown color is actually Tamiya acrylic NATO Brown mixed with their lacquer thinner and yes, I might have had the consistency wrong... 🙁 But I was also planning on stripping and overhauling my three airbrushes for a while as I felt the seals needed replacement and on my Harder & Steenbeck Evolution (0.2 setup) the valve was stuck, releasing only a very low air stream, which didn't atomize the paint as it should. Yesterday I 'needed' to paint and switched my 0.2 needle setup to my 0.4 other Evolution. That one needed new seals as well and I found out that the 0.2 needle could move freely in the 0.4 seal resulting in paint running through the whole airbrush body.
So, thank you for thinking along with me! See, I knew your brain picking would come in handy! 😄 But I know my airbrushes are the issue and not MRP's quality or even my pressure. I was pushing my airbrush overhaul past my 'next' projects but tonight might be a good night to get them fully stripped and ready for their new and fresh replacement parts. I think I just snug up on my couch and give them all my TLC they deserve. 😉
9 October 2019, 14:55
Patrick Hagelstein
PS. With MRP I hardly ever go over 10 psi (at least that's what my pressure gauge says) and they work like a charm every time. When I use Mr. Color I sometimes go up to 15 psi but only if I need broad coverage. 🙂
9 October 2019, 14:57
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks for that tip Hans! 👍 I'll try that this evening. With only a couple of $$ for a set of three, it never hurts to have some seals on spare. 🙂
9 October 2019, 16:02
Stephan Ryll
That's looking very cool Patrick 👍
9 October 2019, 17:37
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Stephan but as already mentioned to Slavo, this is only my paint mule to test some colors. 🙂
9 October 2019, 18:05
Patrick Hagelstein
Guys, I need an opinion.... I want(ed) to build my Hornet powered down sitting on the Nellis concrete with covers over the exhausts, intakes, HUD and seat. Powered down also means that the flaps, ailerons and slats are lowered due to hydraulic bleed off. That means that for lowered flaps, ailerons and slats there are two options: 1) Getting the Wolfpack 72005 Flaps Down Set and 2) Cutting up the Academy wings 'ye old fashioned way'. But........ the Wolfpack set is long out of production and nowhere to be found, leaving me to option 2; cutting op the wings... In some pictures I can see only the flaps and ailerons down and the slats still in the up position. Now I'm trying to find the courage to start cutting....

Wimp as I am, I found another option all together: Don't have the Hornet powered down but actually crewed and ready to roll out or just returning from a training. This means that the covers are a no-go and that I have to fit in a pilot. Good news on that is that in the early '90s both old and new style helmets were in use.

My question to my audience is how I should perform from here: Should I cut off the flaps and ailerons and reattach them in the down position and stick to the parked setting or should I build my jet crewed up with running systems (meaning that the wings stay neutral)? I'll leave my decision up to you and go ahead with the rest of the fuselage for now.
16 October 2019, 02:45
Harry Eder
Same Jet - same problem! 😉
I also had to solve that. I will sit a pilot from PJ in, close the canopy and display the Hornet on a taxiway!
16 October 2019, 06:17
Pierre
I went flaps down on my build of this kit and can assure you it was a much easier process than getting the nose seams sorted right - basic straight cuts, simple reshaping and basic scratching with plasticard and metal rods. Will definitely try folded wings on the next one, which looks much trickier to me.

I prefer the flaps down look on hornets, but then again, PJ pilots and rolling jets look great, so both ideas sound good.
16 October 2019, 09:02
Holger Kranich
I like the taxi idea very much. Maybe with a flag-waving Pilot or so? Or with a cigar and a can of beer? Right after his first flight without instructor?
16 October 2019, 11:23
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks for your feedback guys and thanks for the links Hans! Putting either a flag, a cigar or a beer in a 1/72 pilot's hands seems somehow more daunting than actually cutting up those wings....

Hans, I know what you mean with that full length aerodynamic cover and I already figured I would have to scratch build that one. Especially since making the cut means that I would have to cut right through that section. The flaps and ailerons have an ever so slightly gap between them when moved down, so yes, I have to cut them up along the panel line. Should be doable.... I guess....

Pierre, I looked up your build and saw that you pulled it off using a scratched aerodynamic cover as well. It looks doable.... but could you elaborate a bit more on how you did it, please?

So........ I'm diving in head first and will cut the wings up!
16 October 2019, 14:52
Sergej I
Looking good! I like the sharpness of cockpit painting 🙂
16 October 2019, 15:06
Harry Eder
Me too! Nice details on the cockpit! 👍
16 October 2019, 15:22
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Sergej and Harry! The grey is MRP and the black is brushed Vallejo thinned with water. I mixed some light grey for the buttons and used a damp cotton bud to clean up any black out of the panels. The glass parts on the screens and dials are done with Alclad II Aqua Gloss.
16 October 2019, 15:42
Maciej Bellos
In!
16 October 2019, 15:45
Patrick Hagelstein
Welcome Maciej! 🙂
16 October 2019, 16:34
Pierre
Well, IIRC I cut .2mm plasticard to shape for those covers prior to cutting, using the kits engraving as a template, then cut with a scriber. Filed up the flaps leading edge to shape (should have removed more material to get a bigger "slot" effect with the cover), separated flaps and ailerons, cut the actuators leaving the hinge on the wing part, drilled both wing and flaps for metal rods around the actuators (randomly, as I had no picture, but things are pretty much hidden once glued/painted ).

I think I then glued the covers after taping them in place at a seemingly correct angle using TET, possibly reinforced the inside with CA, then worked out the flaps alignment with those metal rods, patafix and CA.
This was the trickiest bit, I'd do it differently now that I have more reference pictures by actually reproducing the actuator slots, which should make it easier to use plastic all around.

I also cut the leading edges entirely, it might be better to just scribe the underside as needed then bend at correct angle.
16 October 2019, 17:00
Stephan Ryll
Nice progress Patrick 👍
16 October 2019, 17:44
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Stephan and wow Pierre! 👍 Thanks for the explanation! 🙂 Now I have to give it that try! Knowing that the Wolfpack set is out of stock and having a couple of those Academy Hornets planned, I'd better get a way worked out to achieve this typical Hornet feature.
16 October 2019, 17:47
Patrick Hagelstein
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Finding some more reference and future ideas at once. 😉
16 October 2019, 17:48
Bart Goesaert
nice work on this one so far. slow, but the end is what matters
17 October 2019, 08:01
Patrick Hagelstein
Yes Bart, I'm a really slow builder... Just take a look at all the projects I started (but still haven't finished) compared to my actual finished projects. 😄 In fact, I'm so slow that if I don't force myself to build more and more often, my kits start creeping back into their boxes out of sheer disappointment... 😉

But this one has a commitment towards the Group Build participants, this one I will put through it's paces! 👍 😉
17 October 2019, 13:29
Donald Dickson II
Dont feel bad. I havent even started mine yet. LOL
17 October 2019, 13:36
Bart Goesaert
I think we are two builders alike... I hardly finish a project...
17 October 2019, 13:42
Patrick Hagelstein
😄 😄 😄 So true......
17 October 2019, 13:48
Maciej Bellos
Make them builders three. I start a kit with good intentions to see it collect dust.
17 October 2019, 13:49
Patrick Hagelstein
My 'problem' is that while waiting for some paint or glue to dry, I start this 'quicky' side project while waiting, only to see that quicky turn into my main project and forget about the previous one. Then my desk gets cluttered and I clean it all up, just to put projects away in the stash of doom... 😄
17 October 2019, 13:53
Patrick Hagelstein
😄 Welcome to our little self help club meeting here Hans! 👍
17 October 2019, 13:55
Bart Goesaert
yep, sounds familiar... somebody interested in a GSA-meeting? (Glue Sniffers Anonymous)
17 October 2019, 14:24
Patrick Hagelstein
😄 😄 😄 So cool!
17 October 2019, 14:33
Donald Dickson II
I'd be fine if people didnt tempt me into other projects.
17 October 2019, 17:38
Patrick Hagelstein
So recognizable Donald. At the moment I'm also starting a little project for one of my clubs's nautical build. But that IS a quicky, as it is a modern submarine. Two hull halves and some stuff sticking out and then I can hit it with primer and paint! 👍
17 October 2019, 18:08
Donald Dickson II
Until you realize you need to buy 2 PE sets to make it look just right. And then you find reference pics showing weathering you didnt consider...
17 October 2019, 18:49
Patrick Hagelstein
😄 Right?.... 😉
17 October 2019, 19:43
Patrick Hagelstein
Sifting through both Hans Robben's and my own reference pictures, I can not see any scab plates next to the slime lights on the vertical tails, which leads me to the assumption that these Hornets didn't go through the structural enhancement program adding the scab plates and the supports at the inside bottom op the verticals. F/A-18As from the late '90s can still be seen without those stiffeners, so it could make sense. Can somebody please prove me right or wrong on my assumption that I don't need to add the stiffeners at the bottom and more importantly, shave off the stiffeners on both side of the verticals as well? Thank you very much! 🙂
4 November 2019, 00:32
Patrick Hagelstein
Never mind, picture 29 shows the stiffener plates, so I can safely assume the whole structural enhancement program was applied to this airframe. Saves me some shaving and sanding! 😄
5 November 2019, 03:15
Jos Jansen
Nice progress Patrick...!
5 November 2019, 10:06
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Jos! Sloooooowly getting there. 😉
5 November 2019, 12:49
Bart Goesaert
interesting method on the radome...
5 November 2019, 15:55
Patrick Hagelstein
Fingers crossed it works the way I want... I figured sanding the smooth radome surface would be easier than around all the details around the radome's circumference.
6 November 2019, 00:05
Clifford Keesler
Good idea.
6 November 2019, 02:19
Stephan Ryll
That's looking good Patrick 👍
6 November 2019, 15:25
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks guys! Hopefully I find some time this week to put it to the test. 🙂
6 November 2019, 15:47
Spanjaard
looking good. kit surgery... needed sometimes to get the right result... but it can get a bit scary😉
6 November 2019, 15:53
Patrick Hagelstein
It's scary until you scribe or saw that part off. Then there's no way back and the only thing that can happen, is that you actually improve the build. 😄
6 November 2019, 20:01
Spanjaard
indeed
7 November 2019, 00:25
Patrick Hagelstein
🙂 👍
7 November 2019, 01:27
Harry Eder
I think you did all right! The gaps are on the same places like on mine! 😄
A pity with the colours...
7 November 2019, 06:12
Patrick Hagelstein
Never mind the colors, I'm on a color quest, riding my paint mule. 😉
7 November 2019, 06:56
Patrick Hagelstein
Yep! That's the one! Is that the one you used on yours?
7 November 2019, 12:56
Patrick Hagelstein
Gotcha! I just ordered MRP-387 and the Mission Models equivalent as I found that to be a little bit more reddish. It's the matching up with the decals that makes this so hard to find the right hue as I want te contrasting markings to be the exact match to the paint scheme. In any other scheme I wouldn't care for it that much.
7 November 2019, 14:48
Spanjaard
you can make some masks for those decals, and not worry about the exact hue anymore..... just an idea.
7 November 2019, 16:36
Patrick Hagelstein
Could be an idea. Are there any laser cut Hornet masks that you know of by any chance?
7 November 2019, 16:49
Patrick Hagelstein
Apart from the warning text next to the cockpit, the most prominent would be national markings, NAVY titles and intake triangles.
7 November 2019, 16:50
Patrick Hagelstein
F-14 Tomcat National Insignia (Eduard XS542, 1:72)

XS542
 


Spanjaard, I'll wait for my ordered paint to arrive and see if it works. Otherwise, this might be an option. Thanks for the tip! 👍
7 November 2019, 17:03
Spanjaard
glad to help 🙂
7 November 2019, 21:57
Patrick Hagelstein
👍
7 November 2019, 22:29
Jos Jansen
Nice progress on that aggressor Patrick...lots of Hornets on SCM...😉👍
8 November 2019, 06:07
Pierre
Nice work with that nose, will keep that in mind 🙂
14 November 2019, 09:36
Slavo Hazucha
re-checking IN again to watch this 👍😉
2 December 2019, 11:06
Patrick Hagelstein
Hey! Slavo is back!!! 😄 Welcome again! Besides my little (not yellow) submarine, this one is prominent on my modeling table for the upcoming two weeks. Should be some progress from now on. 🙂
2 December 2019, 14:06
Clifford Keesler
Hope to see her done soon.
3 December 2019, 01:25
Patrick Hagelstein
Me too! 😄
3 December 2019, 02:30
Patrick Hagelstein
Nope.... No progress for now and no progress for the year 2019... Today I start my trip home to girlfriend and family. The Hornet will be patiently awaiting my return in 2020. Merry Christmas and a happy modeling year to come!!! 🙂
14 December 2019, 14:05
Donald Dickson II
Safe travels sir and enjoy your vacation!
14 December 2019, 15:14
Patrick Hagelstein
Thank you guys!
14 December 2019, 15:50
Slavo Hazucha
Sounds great - enjoy your holidays & unleash your imagination to let some great 2020 ideas grow on! Nice Christmas & "guten Rutsch"!
14 December 2019, 16:07
Stephan Ryll
Have a nice time Patrick 🙂
14 December 2019, 18:23
Patrick Hagelstein
Vielen Dank Slavo und Stephan! Ich habe gerade während den ersten Flugabschnitt mal meine Gedanken den freien Lauf gelassen und habe schon gute Ideen bekommen. 🙂 Frohe Weihnachten und guten Rutsch!
14 December 2019, 20:03
Maciej Bellos
Enjoy the holidays!
14 December 2019, 21:30
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Maciej! Same to you! 🙂
14 December 2019, 22:14
Clifford Keesler
Merry Christmas Patrick, hope you have a happy and safe vacation.
15 December 2019, 20:10
Spanjaard
prettig Kerstdagen en gelukkig nieuwe 2020!!
15 December 2019, 22:10
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks guys! A merry Christmas to you too èn een goed uiteinde!
16 December 2019, 21:29
Roland Revolvermann
Ah, I see: You still have a head start😉
9 February 2020, 17:29
Patrick Hagelstein
Not for long when I'm not building much and when I build on other projects instead. 😉
11 February 2020, 00:21
Clifford Keesler
Welcome back.
11 February 2020, 01:10
Patrick Hagelstein
Thanks Clifford! 😄 Sadly I won't be touching any model (kit) until I get back from a business trip this Friday. I still need to exert some patience...
11 February 2020, 01:12

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