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Bernhard Schrock (Yellowwing)

******Humbrol: ich habe ein Problem!!*******

Hallo Mates,
wie einige von Euch vielleicht schon mitgekriegt haben, komme ich mit der aktuellen, „neuen Ausführung" der Enamels von Humbrol nicht zurecht. Mit der „neuen Ausführung" meine ich die vor einigen Jahren veränderte Zusammensetzung, die anhand des neuen Aufklebers nachvollzogen werden kann.

Meine seit Jahrzehnten bewerten Techniken funktionieren mit der neuen Ausführung leider nicht mehr. Fazit: ich verwende bzw. werde nur noch die alte Ausführung von Humbrol verwenden, die ganz gut von der neuen zu unterscheiden sind:

bei der „alten Ausführung" ist Dose ist direkt bedruckt, im Gegensatz zu den neuen Ausführung, die einen Aufkleber besitzt.
Unmittelbar nach der Änderung der Zusammensetzung wurden die bedruckten Dosen mit einem Aufkleber überklebt.

Glücklicherweise konnte ich mich hier und da mit etlichen Farben in die alten Ausführung eindecken. Leider sind einige wichtige Farben absolute Mangelware:
H85 (schwarz seidenmatt)
H130 (weiß seidenmatt)
H69 (glänzend gelb)
H19 (glänzend rot)


I will see what I have, I too work with the old paints over the new.. if I can get them.
12 October 2018, 17:57
In meiner Sammlung sind diverse Revell Farben und Humbrol 186, 91, 53, 120 (2x) und 97. Kann ich gerne abgeben.
12 October 2018, 19:22
It might be a good idea to tape a piece of paper with the name of the paint onto the tiny buckets of paint. I did that.
12 October 2018, 20:30
Tom Ballhoff
Hallo Bernhard, fehlen Dir nur die genannten Farben oder ist das nur Dein Hauptaugenmerk? Ich habe zumindest noch 9 Pötte alte Humbrol Enamels hier rumstehen. Aber nicht Deine Nummern. Ich arbeite aber nimmer mit denen. Gruß Tom
12 October 2018, 21:28
First I would like to thank google translate. My High School German didn't get past the subject title very well. Anyways to make sure I understand what you are looking for. Humbrol tins with a sticker = yeck no like. Humbrol tins with no sticker = Ya Ser Gut. So what about the tins that have the Humbrol number stamped into them. Gut or Niche so Gut?? 😛

*Disclaimer - I apologize for offending any German speaking people for attempting to use my decades old attempt to speak German from High School ('70's)

12 October 2018, 23:36
Bernhard Schrock
Hello mates, thank you for your postings. I'm very surprised about the comments in English. I posted my problem/question in german because it was too complex to describe this in my not the best english (my wife is for one week in Denmark: she helps me everywhere to translate of complex text 🙂).
Now I will try to describe in a few words my problem in English. It's correct: the new tins (new formula) have a sticker. The old tins (old formula) have no sticker.
I'm looking at this time for only 5 colors/tins: gloss red (19), gloss yellow (69) semimatt black (85), semimatt white (130) and semimatt yellow (188 ) . I have enough tins of other paints.
13 October 2018, 03:15
Bernhard Schrock
Guten Morgen Alex, guten Morgen Tom. Freut mich sehr über eure schnelle Antwort. So wie beschrieben fehlen mir in der Tat nur diese fünf genannten Farben. Hatte Glück über eBay Kleinanzeigen, hier und da genug von den sonstigen Farben zu erwischen.
13 October 2018, 03:18
Bernhard, the new stuff is indeed crap just beware that some of the older paints (white lid with sticker) are IIRC 70's 80's era which is usually wonderful paint to work with

13 October 2018, 09:01
Bernhard Schrock
Hi Augie, thank you for the tip. Indeed: i had luck and bought in german eBay 2 6-pack sets of HU authentics for german Railways. I think that the tins are 30-40 years old and despite of that this was a pleasure to brushing and dried in few hours.
13 October 2018, 09:38
I do like the old authentics, they last for years too
13 October 2018, 10:12
Are the ones that have the number stamped on the lid good or bad? I am checking my Humbrol stash and so far I have stickers and the ones with the number stamped on the lid.
13 October 2018, 12:10
Hi Robbie, the stamped ones are more difficult I am sorry to say.

The older ones are superb, any post 2016 seem to be very much hit and miss as to if they are ok.

If they are https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7VqjiyRPFjZqmZ9qGofDhB96Y-N5EllGVgZNaPr5m7qfBpVhw

Then they should be fine.

If they are https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTP0iM9yUdDf_AkMsxdJqNrJBzNA9QnC0gOVvWv-T7L-xM2KvuSJw

then mileage will vary

13 October 2018, 12:39
Bernhard Schrock
I add a picture with all versions of tins.
13 October 2018, 12:52
Perfect Bernhard, was what i was trying to find
13 October 2018, 14:54
I am confused. In the pic. What is the difference between the 2nd tin on the left (with a green check) with the 3 red X ones on the right? The logo all looks the same and they have the stamped number on the lid
13 October 2018, 20:13
Interesting... I stopped using Humbrol several years ago, but I think I still have some boat in the stash.
Following this interesting discussion.
14 October 2018, 08:54
Robbie, sadly its also the pot label which you need to use to identify the bad.. The 2nd on the left will have been made in the UK, the 2nd on the right will have been made in china when Humbrol moved production to reduce costs. This is where there can be confusion as they didn't change the label at the time.
The others on the right are post production move.

14 October 2018, 09:27
Well, it looks like the tins I have fall into the 2nd and 3rd from the right. I have a couple on the left but not what Bernhard is looking for. If anything I sure got a lesson on Humbrol paints.
14 October 2018, 14:08
Boris Belay
Hi Augie, I looked at my set of Humbrols (a lot of old and new ones) and the latest I have (most recent production batch) mention "Made in England". Do you know if production has been brought back to GB ? And has the formulation changed back to the better kind ?
More concisely : is the problem (only) with the Chinese production batches ?
1 February 2021, 14:02
Hi Boris, wow this ones an old one 🙂

Humbrol paints are back in the UK and produced in London & Manchester.... sadly that's where the good news ends, the formulations are still hit and miss.. I have many new pots where I can take the lid off, turn the pot upside down and nothing will spill, I have others that are so thin, I leave the lid off for a day or so to try an thicken them, or where the pigment simply will not mix into the carrier fluid.

1 February 2021, 15:29
Bernhard Schrock
Indeed the new paints are completely different from the old ones. In the meantime I'm using only the old batches. In the last years I had a lot of luck and bought on eBay and EBay Kleinanzeigen enough tints for the next 20 years. 🙂
1 February 2021, 15:45
I too am doing the exact same thing Bernhard 🙂 Where I have to, now using XtraColor (Hannants own brand) and its much like the Humbrols of old.. that just work
1 February 2021, 16:08
Łukasz Gliński
I have couple of the old ones (Humbrol and Revell too) and I'm willing to get rid of them if anyone's interested. Unfortunately not the ones, Bernhard is looking for 🙁
The Humbrols I have from the series marked green by Bernhard: 5, 10, 25, 30, 34, 38, 48, 49, 51, 54, 60, 61, 62, 64, 66, 75 (2x), 78, 82, 86, 90, 94 (might have dried), 95, 100, 104, 105 (used on my cancelled Cobra build), 108 (use on my Cierva C.30), 116, 117, 118, 121, 126, 145, 148, 155, 159, 160, 164, 186
Revells: 1, 49, 62, 67, 79, 80, 91, 310, 350, 351, 380
Got couple of Revell Airbrush enamels too (the yellow and red stickers).
As I'm not using enamels anymore I can give them away, charging the postage only 🙂
I'll check the content on request of course, some of them are 30yrs old 🙂
(the ones at the very bottom are Xtracolor enamels)
2 February 2021, 12:38
Boris Belay
Hello Lukasz, If Bernhard is not finiding his wishes in your lot, and if you're sure you don't want them anymore, I would be happy to trade them for something of mine. I'm quite fond of Humbrols. Maybe it's that enamel smell 😉
I'm particularly interested in the ones above 100 (to keep it simple), but I can take them all if you prefer dealing with only one package. And again, for some sort of compensation (on top of shipping) !
2 February 2021, 20:59
Łukasz Gliński
Hi Boris. My good friend Maciej Bellos was first to ask, so you're next in the queue. He said he needs couple of days to decide and all the remaining ones will be for your disposal. Should me switch to PM? 🙂
3 February 2021, 20:08
Boris Belay
Done. Thanks !
3 February 2021, 21:57
Łukasz Gliński
The Xtracolours are for sale too 🙂
4 February 2021, 10:56
Derek Huggett
Late to the party, but I mourn the loss of the old Humbrol No.11 'Silver Fox'. 😭
4 February 2021, 11:13
Łukasz Gliński
I'm surprised to see such an interest in old Humbrols. Before the bat plague each modelling event I visited locally had at least one seller of huge amount of old enamel tins and nobody was buying them 😮
4 February 2021, 13:38
The vintage returns, Łukasz! 😛
4 February 2021, 18:57
Łukasz Gliński
I tried to mate enamels with UV-cut varnishes few times and it doesn't work. So a time for the garage sale😉
4 February 2021, 20:47
Maciej Bellos
I 'm with Derek, #11 was one of the best silvers I worked with.
4 February 2021, 20:55
Łukasz Gliński
I heard some rumours about legendary Model Master enamel chrome which is even harder to get, but forgot the numbering 🙁
4 February 2021, 22:08
Maciej Bellos
1790, more than 10 years ago I got one from a shop, which had a nice collection of MM. Sadly, It has been closed for more than 5 years...
5 February 2021, 04:38
Boris Belay
I have never tried these, but I find the Humbrol Metal Cote (27001/2/3/4) very good when brushing. Their regular Siler (11) is pretty bad though, unless you want a very dull 'silver'.
5 February 2021, 09:38
Derek Huggett
Boris - yes, that is what I meant (and I see Maciej agrees 👍 ). The current #11 is virtually grey- the old formula was almost as good as chrome!! The Metal Cotes are quite good, but can be less forgiving. 😠
5 February 2021, 10:36
I'm agree with mates... Humbrol 11 early was very good, but late 11 seems pale metallic, almost gray. I was extremely disappointed when I opened the bottle and applied the paint. I have also had some Metal Cote with good results.
5 February 2021, 19:48

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