Rex
The instructions also give an attempt at the mixture for the bluish color as delivered. To make it simple, just get Xtracolour # X 127, as given by one of the authors of Osprey's "Modeling the F-4 Phantom II".
He included a photo of a Blue chip off of an actual aircraft, along with the "correct" Barley Grey chip off of an actual aircraft. The Fujimi kit tries to list a few of the Bluish serials in a chart, but, it is best to compare to photos,,,,that chart was hard to figure out without a photo to go by.

Rex, the Accidental CAG

Stilicho
I happen to live a part of the world to which Royal Mail does not encourage British exports. I've just reread all the posts in Britmodeller and not a few elsewhere. If was starting tomorrow I'd use the "official" colours since the unofficial ones varied according to incident light and most airframes were repainted at some stage. Trying to fit mixtures of paints into the space allowed is beyond my skill. (I notice none of the other people with kits of the F4J(UK) have tried). I'm just trying (and it isn't easy) to give something that's faithful to the original, not misleading (rather than accurate) and helpful to people familiar with the terminology. As has been pointed out what people know now is different from what they knew then. X127 was probably not in existence, or available in Japan when some body at Fujimi composed the instructions. I have just received in the mail Fujimi's re-issued(new decals) A5m-2 and Mr Color 126 is the only indication of the cockpit colour. Not very helpful to a beginner,I think.

Rex
As I said, the guy that wrote that book actually provided two chips of the paint off of two aircraft. Then he matched those to Xtracolour paints. (Fujimi NEVER matched to Xtra, not in the old days or in current times)

So, there is nothing "unfaithful to the original in that book or in my post. In fact, one of the lines in the F-4J(UK) chapter is that "this should hopefully end all of the controversy" concerning these colors,,,,,,,,by a pilot from 74 squadron, no less

I think we should believe such people,,,,,,,especially when they provide photos of the actual paint scrapings side by side.

Also, as I said,,,,,,,,Fujimi DID try to give that Blue color mixture in their instructions, they are the scheme covered by the " * " symbol on the markings page. That means that they also "believed in" the Blue color.

And I am not the person that gives "misleading, rather than accurate" color info,,,,,,it's right there in print in at least 6 places.

Stilicho
OK.I know you know more about this than I do. (I also read Hyperscale) Change it, fix it whatever. Anybody's entitled. All I'm allowed to do is read the instructions as written. Shortly I'll be starting on some ancient Bf 109's I'm sure I'll be finding some Me 109's with monotone "Green" upper surfaces. Kids in the 1970's knew no more.

Rex
and "F4J (UK)" is NOT the correct designation.
It was "F-4J (UK)",,,,,when you move the dash around in US aircraft designations, you can be talking about a completely different aircraft. (FJ and F2J and F3J were biplane USN fighters, F4J would have been their next one, made by the Berliner-Joyce company) (or if it is easier, think of the difference between an F-4D and an F4D,,,,one is a USAF Phantom, and the other is a USN Skyray)

I know, some think that this "stuff isn't that important",,,,,,but, this site is supposed to be an actual guide to model kits, it seems that if it is truly going to "guide" anyone that the details need to be correct. Otherwise, if it all can be "called in from the gun deck", there is no real point to doing it at all.

Rex
No need to be snarky about it. I have only said that the blue is given in the instructions. And then backed it up when you said your crack about "misleading, rather than accurate" colors.

You don't ever have to believe me (Hyperscale notwithstanding),,,,,,,just pull out your instructions and look at the place marked "*", then in that "*" box it gives two color options, one is their mixture for the Bluish gray, and the other is H-334 Barley Grey,,,,,,,,,,the Bluish mix is H-306 at 80% plus H-57 at 20%,,,,it says it on all three copies of the instructions sheets that I have.

I won't comment on your posts any more,,,,,,,,,,otherwise you would see which of us could actually "type meaner" once you start the snarky stuff

Stilicho
certainly true about F-4J, my typing and editing error. I'm doing this because I was asked to. What I mean by misleading is being asked to paint e.g. Japanese aircraft in RLM 70,for example. Many kit manufacturers specify their own paints rather than use official or even popular names. I'd much rather type FS xxxxx than 60%this40%that. I'm sure I checked this morning but if I'm not mistaken H334 is Barley Grey. H 306 Gray FS. 36270 + H 57 Air Craft Gray does not suggest Bluish to me.

Rex
H-57 is Aircraft Gray FS 16473 is 8.8BG 6.9/0.6 which is most certainly a Blue-Green Gray color. 36270 is one of the very light Purple Blues,,,,,,mixed together, they should make a Blue-Gray