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Gorby's wondrously weird whatsit – The Fowler Steeplechaser

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86 9 March, 10:36
Mark
All aboard... for a very interesting subject.
9 March, 10:59
Neil
Some plastic precision going on here mate, following with interest 👍
9 March, 11:09
David Taylor
Defo in on this one.
9 March, 11:19
Rui S
Me too 😎 Scratch looking Great already 👍
9 March, 17:06
bughunter
Oh yes, I remember ....
Very interesting how many details can be read from some low resolution pictures! And you converted the info into nice parts 👍
9 March, 17:23
gorby
Welcome to the magical mystery build* mates. 🙂

* Because it's going to be a mystery to me how it's going to turn out. 😳
9 March, 17:33
S M
Wow!
9 March, 19:26
Mike Thomas
Looks like a great candidate for 3D printing but I can see where 3D printing may take away some of the enjoyment of the craft. After all, as the saying goes, the journey is more fun than the destination. Or something like that! Either way, great work so far, Gorby!
9 March, 19:40
Rui S
Wise words 👍
9 March, 23:18
Lochsa River
very cool
9 March, 23:42
Pepe
😲😲😲😲😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
10 March, 00:01
Alec K
Another stupendous effort from the master of the metaphysical?!? I am certainly in. Commendable effort so far 👍
10 March, 02:19
Dietmar Bogatzki
Taking a seat
10 March, 07:46
Spanjaard
wow gorby, amazing job on thise wheels, thise teeth are fantastic, certainly joining in
10 March, 08:18
gorby
Wow! I'm a bit taken aback at the interest in this. No pressure then. 😮
I first started hacking plastic in November so the build is now quite advanced and there have been many moments I have dreamily thought of a 3D printer. I certainly wouldn't rule one out for the future although there is a part of me which enjoys the challenge of working out how the hell to build things from bits of plastic.
Thanks for all your comments matiepoos.
10 March, 08:36
gorby
Next stage of the build from photo number 16. 👍
12 March, 11:18
Alec K
This is next level scratchbuilding Gorb. Watching with humble awe 👍
12 March, 12:34
Robert Podkoński
I am back from the short vacations, and taking a seat!
12 March, 12:45
gorby
Thanks for taking an interest mates. 🙂
I always think how crude my plastic bashing looks in comparison to many one Scalemates including one member in particular, now what's his name....eeerrrrmm, Oh yes, he's called Alec K. 😉
12 March, 15:37
Alec K
I am glad you finally stated the obvious Gorby. My ploy to use expensive tools and supplies coupled with snobbish complex commentary to outshine any work done with basic tools, copious elbow grease and uncommon creativity finally bears fruit! 😄 😄 😄
12 March, 16:44
gorby
😄 😄 😄
If I had expensive tools I'd spend most of my modelling time trying to work out how they worked. 😉
Oh oh, I've bought an expensive modelling tool!!!! It cost me nearly £13 ($16.50)!!! 😮
greenstuffworld.com/..re-cutter-tool.html#
Need to wait for it to be delivered and for my wallet to recover now. 🙂
12 March, 17:19
Alec K
Oh, you'll love that one! I sprung for something similar few years back and never looked back.
13 March, 01:57
Michael Kohl
My kinda stuff.
14 March, 16:39
gorby
New photos start at number 25.
It's odd what you think about when you're wide awake at 2:30 in the morning. I'd assumed the rear wheels were attached behind the firebox in some way and at 2:30am I realised that couldn't possibly be the case and sure enough, when I studied the photos more closely, the axle is further forward than I thought. Also as I haven't got a proper side view, I'm having to estimate sizes. When I temporarily fitted the back wheels to see how other things would fit...they didn't…. That's the problem with not having a proper side view. I did consider the bin as an option but decided that I'd devoted too much time on it to chuck it.
31 March, 16:01
Robert Podkoński
Do not give up, Gorby! We're all waiting for the photos of a completed Steeplechaser!
31 March, 16:04
gorby
Thanks Robert. This build has been a bit a struggle, but there is no way I'm giving up on four months work. Incidentally, the build has progressed quite a bit further than I've shown here, I'm just not getting much time to update the build report. I estimate there's about another months work.....every month I've been estimating another months work. 😄
31 March, 16:08
Spanjaard
thus is getting better and better at every picture, soon to be finished, do not give up gorby, end is in sight, just one more month! 😉
31 March, 18:10
Alec K
Holy GEARS batman! This is looking good! As far as lack of references goes, look at the bright side: at least nobody's going to whine about it being few millimeters too long or short 😉 😄
1 April, 00:17
Ben M
Looks like a mutant case tractor
1 April, 01:38
gorby
Thanks for your comments Alec & Ben. Yes, it will help that there isn't anyone still alive who actually saw this beastie, although I suspect that anyone who understands traction engines will be laughing their socks off. 😄
1 April, 07:14
Dietmar Bogatzki
like your build so far 🙂
1 April, 07:59
Andy Dallibar
Amazing! So drag racing pre-dates the internal combustion engine.
Very nice bit if scratch building.
1 April, 08:03
gorby
😄 😄
Thanks for the comments mates. 👍
1 April, 14:58
S M
Wow! those gears must have been a lot of work!
1 April, 19:21
gorby
Thanks SM. The gears are easy work, they just take a lot of time. Great way of getting through some podcasts (currently No Such Thing as a Fish). 🙂
2 April, 08:39
bughunter
The model would not look any better if it had been made from a kit!
2 April, 21:39
gorby
Thanks Frank. I tend to use less filler on a scratchbuild than I would normally use for a kit, although it can be a bit frustrating spending hours making a part which would take minutes with a kit.
3 April, 09:53
Lukas Muller
amazing !!
3 April, 10:43
Alec K
I feel compelled to point that that, as with most hobbies, it's about the journey 🙂
3 April, 11:00
Bohrmann
This is art in the making ! 👀
3 April, 11:29
gorby
Thanks very much mates. 🙂
You are correct Alec, but there times on a loooooong journey you just want to get there NOW!!!! 😄 😄 😄
Normally my annual winter build gets a lot more time devoted to it. This winter there has been quite a few things happening which has cut into my modelling time, including two occasions when I didn't have time to do any modelling for about three weeks. On both occasions I had to get myself interested in the project again. I've never given up on a kit or a scratch-build (I don't have a shelf of doom) and I don't intend to start now. I've started so I'll finish. 🙂
3 April, 14:20
Michael Kohl
No shelf of doom? Well, that means, that the two of us both have an average one. Man, this makes me feel so much better now. 👍
You made my day!
But now I gotta go - to start a new project. 😜
3 April, 15:30
David Taylor
As a now 60yr old I did my very first totally scratch built model starting last June and finishing it just into the new year.I have to say totally rewarding and satisfying.Watching this one with great interest.
3 April, 18:01
bughunter
I also really enjoy thinking up and making my own parts (I only hate the last ones of many identical parts). And in the end, you have a unique piece in your display case 👍
3 April, 18:41
gorby
That really made me laugh Michael. 😄
Frank & David, it is rewarding to make something from scratch, it also helps keep your mind active and occupied. Which is even more important when you start to get a mentally befuddled, ageing human wreck like me. 😄 😄 😄
Thanks very much for your comments mates. 🙂
4 April, 10:01
Mick Burdett
Your skill amazes me Gorby, nearly makes me want to give up !
10 April, 20:27
gorby
Thanks very much Mick. I'd advise you to have a go at scratch-building - you'll be surprised at what you are capable of making. I think I was the one who was most amazed at the result of my first full scratch build.
11 April, 08:46
gorby
New photos start from number 42.
I have absolutely no idea what the mechanical engine gubbins looked like. Yes, I could study other examples of early traction engines, it turns out that the one I've chosen to build is very different to other traction engines in many more ways than the wheels, so a lot of this is going to be based on 'best guess'. A photo from above would have been very useful. It's a shame Victorians didn't invent the steam powered photographic drone.
13 April, 16:05
Alec K
It may be fiction, but it looks great 👍
13 April, 17:01
Spanjaard
since we can not proof inaccurate (and I would not care if somebody can) it its simply stunning
13 April, 19:43
David Taylor
If you get a look at the gubbins on a traction engine your pretty much spot on.
13 April, 19:46
bughunter
Put some paint on it to hide the plastic and with some steam I'm sure that it will run!
13 April, 19:59
gorby
Thanks for your comments matiepoos, there's plenty more detail to come. 🙂
I've spent hours looking for reference photos and and videos of how traction engines worked, so there is some reason in the apparent chaos even if it is a little simplified. I'm a bit irritated because I had to leave out the clutch gearing as I couldn't see anywhere to put it and there was no evidence of a clutch on the photos.
14 April, 06:37
Tini Hendriks
Da real thing💪🏼. Following with respect
15 April, 08:21
gorby
Thanks Tini and welcome to the build. 🙂
15 April, 08:47
gorby
New photos start from number 50.
This was about the time in the build we found out my best furry friend had an inoperable brain tumour. I know some people won't give a monkeys and are wondering why I mention it. She has become very clingy – constantly needing someone to be with her and that someone is generally me, she's a member of our family and I'm happy to spend more time with her. This obviously means – more time with Ella = less time mangling plastic.
This happened just over a month ago, so I do have a lot more progress to report. I may be giving the impression of working quickly, eeerrm, not the case. I'm just playing catch-up with the build progress…..
Back to the build.
Many traction engines only had suspension on the rear wheels and some didn't have suspension at all. The only information I've found for the suspension on the Steaplechaser is that it had leaf springs. Nothing can be seen in the photos which is a bit odd as normally leaf springs are visible either side of the wheels. Which means the springs were either incredibly narrow conventional springs, very narrow elliptic leaf springs, or they were transverse leaf springs – which I decided to go for. I did find an image showing a transverse suspension on a traction engine which helped me decide, of course now I can't find it.
21 April, 14:34
NLAWScametovisit
So sorry to hear about Ella, Gorby. That's very heartbreaking. I'm glad you were able to spend that extra time with her, and I'm sure she's glad too.
21 April, 15:07
Rui S
Hi Gorby, I'm with NLAWScametovisit. I hope she will keep on fighting. Best wishes Mate.
As to the build, just Excellent scratch work 👍
21 April, 16:18
David Taylor
Sorry to hear about Ella.Where did you find the water gauge or as usual did you build it.
21 April, 16:51
Alec K
Sad news about Ella, so sorry to hear. Modeling can wait. …but that water gauge looks amazing 👍
21 April, 18:15
S M
Poor Ella. Best wishes for Ella and be close to her. Modeling can wait because plastic never disappears.
21 April, 19:40
Spanjaard
fully agree with the above. family goes first (human or not).
the water gauge is incredible.
21 April, 21:08
gorby
Thanks everyone for your comments or likes.
Ella is still happy and absolutely loving the extra treats and fuss. We've had several friends visit and say "we're here to see Ella". She is a remarkable dog who everyone seems to fall in love with the first time they meet her. Thanks for your comments.
Shame you all like the water gauge as I'm currently in the process of trying to re-make a smaller one. 😄
22 April, 06:02
bughunter
After returning from the trip to the Mosonshow, I read your post. Honestly, the plastic doesn't matter in such moments of life. All the best for you both!
22 April, 06:12
gorby
Thanks Frank, I hope the show was good.
22 April, 06:31
Mike Thomas
Don't worry about other people's opinions on you mentioning Ella. Yes, it's a model site but we're all humans, too. I've had an animal of some sort in my life since birth. Dogs, cats, hamsters, frogs, lizards...whatever. Our dog, Nipper, was there before me and 62 years later, me and Minnie (my rescue cat from the shelter) are living life pretty good. To be honest, I think I prefer animals over most humans anyway. Give Ella a boop for me and please keep us updated.
22 April, 17:40
gorby
Thanks Mike, I do get very attached to my dogs and Ella is even more special than most, a true furry angel. She nearly died twice in her first year of life so she has had 9 extra amazing years she almost didn't get. By most dogs standards, she's had a very privileged life.
Trying to keep busy to keep my mind off the inevitable.
22 April, 17:58
bughunter
It was was the effort to do a smaller gauge 👍 The first one was the training version 😉
25 April, 20:46
Robert Podkoński
That's amazing!
26 April, 05:13
gorby
Thanks mates. 🙂
Frank: you are absolutely correct. Making the first one make it a lot easier to tackle the second one.
26 April, 05:45
Spanjaard
and it looks fantastic gorby!
26 April, 06:57
gorby
Thanks Spanjaard! 🙂
26 April, 09:23
Landlubber Mike
Wow, this is modeling at its finest. Looking forward to following along!
26 April, 16:01
gorby
Thanks very much Mike, I'm glad you like it. 🙂
26 April, 18:45
NLAWScametovisit
Gorby, the quality of this build has me expecting to log on one day to photos of you using a micro shovel to load coal into the fire box!
26 April, 22:11
gorby
😄 😄 😄
Thanks very much for the compliment and thanks also for reminding me I need to make a shovel. 👍
27 April, 13:18
gorby
New photos from number 71.
The build is complete! There are things which I'm not 100% happy with but isn't that always the case with us modellers?
Just the colouring-in to do now.
28 April, 10:47
Spanjaard
It looks truly fantastic gorby. that tool seem quite interesting. now it is in my wishlist Rivet modls (Green Stuff World 1420, )

1420
 
28 April, 12:48
Alec K
Just stupendous 👍
28 April, 13:36
bughunter
If you paint that beast in different grey shades it will look like pic 1 and 2 👍 Impressive! With that capabilities you don't nee a kit.
28 April, 15:09
Ben M
Thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole: douglas-self.com/MUS..raction/traction.htm

As usual I learned a lot and the result is beautiful. Wishing you the best and sorry for your loss.
28 April, 15:22
David Taylor
love building hate colouring in.Sorry for your loss.
28 April, 17:22
S M
Looks fantastic! Congrats for finishing building!
28 April, 20:56
gorby
Thanks very much for your comments mates. Sorry I haven't replied sooner, Ella died unexpectedly a couple of hours after I posted the last update, which is why I haven't been in the mood for modelling this week.
1 May, 07:54
Spanjaard
a big hug from Amsterdam, my deepest condolences my friend.
1 May, 08:59
gorby
Thanks Spanjaard. It has hit me even harder than I thought it would, but at least she was playing, running at the park and eating well two days before, so she didn't suffer for long, which we are very grateful for.
1 May, 09:18
Rui S
My deepest sympathy in this dark hour, Gorby. I can just imagine your pain mate. I hope you will recover as soon as possible. If not, they say that to overcome such pain, you have to get another hairy beauty, like Ella...
1 May, 13:22
bughunter
My deepest condolences also from me my friend.
1 May, 17:10
gorby
Thanks mates. Ella will be hard act to follow, so we intend to wait for a while. When you've been used to living with a dog for so long, it's difficult to not have a dog in your life.
1 May, 17:22
NLAWScametovisit
Gorby, I'm so sorry. It sounds like you gave her a life that was wonderful, and she knew she was loved. I'll happily raise a glass for Ella.
1 May, 17:28
Alec K
So sorry to hear. Hang in there my friend.
1 May, 17:42
gorby
Thanks mates. 🙂
2 May, 07:18
Ludvík Kružík
Losing a beloved friend is always painful. I wish you to overcome the pain soon and to keep the good memories of the time spent together.
2 May, 07:58
Mick Burdett
Sorry for your loss Gorby, know what it's like to lose a furry chum, so understand what you are going through
2 May, 15:52
gorby
Thanks mates. There's some very nice people on Scalemates isn't there. 🙂
3 May, 05:30
gorby
New photos start at number 82.
Still playing catch-up with the build. This installment will bring this report to where I currently am in the build.
On to the colouring-in – otherwise entitled 'Where did it all start to go so wrong?'.
I much prefer building to painting and that is very evident in my skills. This is going to require a hell of a lot of detail brush painting and my lack of a steady hands means there will be lots of touch-ups and quite a lot of swearing.
What colour to do?…… It looks like most early Fowler traction engines were black with a few later ones in either dark blue or dark green. Looking at the photos it looks too light to be black and I think black would be a bit dull….and I find all black paint jobs difficult to get anywhere near realistic. I went with blue (Tamiya X-4) because I think it would be the next most likely…..well that's a bit of a fib. I went with blue because I like blue and that's a good enough reason for me. 🙂
The advantage is that no one knows what colour it actually was, so I could paint it pink and no one will be able to provide photographic evidence it isn't accurate. Fortunately (for me) as it was a prototype it doesn't look like it has any fancy coach-painted decoration.
4 May, 09:26
Michael Kohl
Oh. I don't really know what I actually expected, but blue it wasn't. But it definitely looks cool. I particularly like the black front with the brass stripe - and everything else for that matter.
Nice to see this one proceeding. Hope the build will help ameliorate you're feeling of loss too. I am anxious for more.
4 May, 11:07
Mike Thomas
I just caught up with your build....and your news. I'm so sorry for your loss, Gorby. May she rest in peace.😢
4 May, 11:54
bughunter
Oh yes! This color came out of the blue. 😉
4 May, 14:27
Lochsa River
a modeling master.....
4 May, 18:43
Bruce Huxtable
I do like a good shovel, and this scratch-built example raises the bar.... 🙂 OMG, what if someone mentioned eggs and bacon being cooked on it ... 😉
4 May, 20:25
NLAWScametovisit
Glad my shovel comment helped! I think this blue looks really good. It's very industrial and I can definitely picture an Edwardian child slapping a big brush full of blue paint on the side of the engine. I feel you about the building vs the painting, I'm always nervous to start the painting since I feel I'm going to ruin all my progress. And that is a damn good shovel!
4 May, 21:27
Ben M
The blue looks superb.
5 May, 00:21
gorby
Thanks mates for your comments about the build and also about Ella. Some of your comments made me laugh and that's exactly what I need this week. 👍
The detail painting is taking even longer than I thought it would because it's a bloody awkward thing to paint. Thanks for continuing to follow the build.
5 May, 06:55
Torsten
Very interesting, follow
5 May, 08:15
Bruce Huxtable
I'm glad you shared your news of Ella, your special companion, Gorby. I am so sorry for your loss, and my thoughts are with you.
5 May, 08:20
Ludvík Kružík
Gorby, you've made great progress on your model. It's fascinating to watch the progress of building this amazing model, which is made from almost nothing.

It's a great inspiration for me to get started on my scratchbuilding projects that I've been putting off for later.
5 May, 10:07
gorby
Thanks Torsten. 👍
Thank you for that Bruce.
Thanks Ludvik. I certainly recommend having a go at scratch building, it's very rewarding (occasionally frustrating) working out how to build each part. One piece of advice, don't start with a traction engine. 😄
5 May, 16:17
NLAWScametovisit
I'm really impressed with how the trucknutz- I mean governor turned out
5 May, 17:45
Ludvík Kružík
Gorby, thank you for your valuable advice. I will definitely not be building a traction engine at this time. Although... yours looks very good... and as they say, never say never.

My scratchbuilding plans are for aircraft. I'm very tempted to build a model plane of the Czech pilot, designer and a big fan and promoter of aviation ing. Jan Kaspar, with whom he made a flight from Pardubice to Prague on May 13, 1911.
eu.zonerama.com/LudvikKruzik/Album/7765761
5 May, 22:53
gorby
I had to Google trucknutz as I've never hear of it before. Certainly made me smile. 🙂
That would be fantastic Ludvik, although scratch-building that aircraft, particularly the engine, would make a traction engine build look easy. 😉
6 May, 15:06
NLAWScametovisit
Glad I could introduce you to a core tenant of American culture. 😉
6 May, 19:21
Bruce Huxtable
Following your inspiring example, Gorby, I am trying to scratch some addition into each new kit. My Everest is soo much smaller than yours 🙂
6 May, 20:06
Ludvík Kružík
Gorby, I'm glad I amused you and aroused your interest in the history of Czech aviation.
But this is your thread dedicated to your traction engine build. Sorry for introducing a little digression to another topic.
6 May, 20:55
gorby
Bruce: That's how the scratching bug starts. 😉
Ludvik: No problem at all, always good to learn something new, I found it very interesting learning about Jan Kaspar.
7 May, 07:17
gorby
New photos start at number 90.
Very limited modelling time this week, although it didn't need much more work to get the Steeplechaser across the line. You won't be seeing the completed model yet as I want to have a go at a simple base for the final unveiling. Thanks for having a look. 👍
10 May, 16:27
John Hughes
Well, if you raised the boiler pressure high enough, you might just get 200mph and 8,000ft out of it!
10 May, 16:31
gorby
😄 😄 😄
10 May, 16:42
bughunter
This is not orange peel skin! This is the underlying cast structure 👍
Love it!
10 May, 17:14
gorby
😄 😄 😄
Of course.....that's what I meant. That's the story I'm sticking to now. 😉
Thanks Frank.
10 May, 17:24
NLAWScametovisit
I was just going ti say the same thing as Bughunter, i think the texture makes it look even better
10 May, 17:30
Spanjaard
coal ia a great addition
10 May, 19:29
Rui S
Beautiful machine. Great work allround 👍
10 May, 19:41
Alec K
Very realistic coal 👍 😄
10 May, 20:21
gorby
Thanks very much mates. 🙂
11 May, 07:52
Mr James
Agree with Rui S
11 May, 09:26
gorby
Thanks Mr James. 👍
11 May, 14:54
Dietmar Bogatzki
Your build amazing 👍
12 May, 17:10
gorby
Thank you Dietmar. 🙂
13 May, 06:20
Michael Kohl
I don't see no orange peel - just intended structured finish. 🙂
13 May, 16:03
gorby
Thanks very much Michael. 🙂
13 May, 16:48
Ludvík Kružík
Perfect scratchbuilding. Your model looks great! I really like it a lot. 👍
14 May, 15:18
gorby
Thanks very much Ludvik. I must admit that I am quite pleased with it. I'm working on the base at the moment - and it's giving me a hard time. 🙂
14 May, 16:18
gorby
New photos start from number 94.
On to the base. I finally managed to get a bit of time to getting the base started. Get yourself a drink as this is a surprisingly long update, or miss it altogether as this is a plastic free episode….
17 May, 16:45
bughunter
Regardless of your figure painting skills, I recognized Ella immediately! And I know only this single pic you showed.
17 May, 16:48
NLAWScametovisit
What an incredible memorial to Ella. Truly heartwarming. 🫂
17 May, 19:16
Spanjaard
great job depicting Ella!
17 May, 20:28
Michael Kohl
Your technique for creating cobblestones is quite elaborate (although the result is convincing). You might consider those textured cylinders for one of your future builds.

greenstuffworld.com/..15mm-fow-flames.html

I used the cobblestone one for one of my projects.
Velorex | Album by panorama (1:72)

At the beginning I was disappointed by the effect but when I gently squeezed the surface after texturing it, I had the appearance I was looking for.

Might be worth a try. Cheers Michael
17 May, 21:29
Ludvík Kružík
The tiles on the base look really believable. You can see on the Ella figure that it was made with love. What a great idea to honour her memory.
17 May, 21:39
Rui S
Beautifull Tribute to Ella. Very well done 👍
17 May, 22:20
gorby
Thanks matiepoos for your comments and likes. Nice to know you like the figure representing Ella. 🙂

Michael: I made a GSW order a few months ago an did conciser one of those cobblestone rollers – they are a great idea. I decided that I wouldn't get enough use out of it to warrant the expense. There are too many tempting things on that site clamoring for my money.
18 May, 07:47
Michael Kohl
Oh, I know what you are talking about. 🙂
18 May, 09:32

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I've been itching to do some scratching for a while and as the pup has had her monthly flea medication it must be time to break out the plasticard….
The Steeplechaser was built by John Fowler & Co. in 1877. The 12 foot (3.66m) wheels were intended to reduce the ground pressure and give better propulsion in soft soil. Surprise surprise it proved to be too clumsy to be useful, but that didn't stop Fowlers from producing a similar machine two years later with 9 foot (2.7m) driving wheels - the usual maximum diameter was 7 foot.
One of the biggest problems I'm going to face with this build is that there are only two photos of this machine, although one of the advantages is that there are only two photos of this machine. Who's going to prove me wrong? 🙂
Added to that, only one dimension is recorded, the size of the back wheels. I could search out similar Fowler engines to cross check dimensions but where's the fun in that? That would be like taking it seriously and that just sounds wrong. Like the Robey Steamer I built a few years ago, I'm just going to make an educated estimate* of the other dimensions from the photos.
So far its turned out to be a lot more challenging to build than I thought it would. Not having a clue how traction engines work might possibly be a reason for that. 😳
Oh, I nearly forgot to say, it’ll be in 1/48 as attempting it in 1/72 is likely to make my brain melt. 😮

* I'm going to make it up as I go along.

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